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DeniseNY
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Were you at all concerned that Hillary Clinton led the charge to defame and smear the women who accused her husband of harassment and assualt?
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Sarcelle
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This is why I voted third party.As long as people say, “I won’t vote for a third party candidate because they won’t win.” Then we’ll never have a viable third party. That attitude is the only thing stopping us from having a party that we can vote for without feeling dirty afterward. It would probably take a few election cycles for a third party to get enough support to win, but if everyone refuses to even consider them, just because they aren’t currently as powerful, then how will they get support to become more powerful?
It makes sense in the long term if more and more people voted third party.
I am sick of the Republican/Democratic two ring circus. We the people need more choices.
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EasterJoy
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Even if you vote for neither of the two major candidates but DO vote for someone else, it registers deep displeasure with both choices. It is not voting that wastes a vote, not voting for someone with less chance of winning.This is why I voted third party.
It makes sense in the long term if more and more people voted third party.
I am sick of the Republican/Democratic two ring circus. We the people need more choices.
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YADA
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So you are working on that third party platform right now correct - to get people elected to City, County, State and Federal Offices correct?This is why I voted third party.
It makes sense in the long term if more and more people voted third party.
I am sick of the Republican/Democratic two ring circus. We the people need more choices.
In all 50 states, the Territories and DC - Correct …
I have said it before - Third Parties can be viable - but it takes work and money and enough support to do the above …
As long as third party candidates do not do what is necessary to get on the ballots of all the States, Territories and DC then they are not seriously in the running and do not deserve a vote as they are not running to represent all of the citizens nor interests - in addition to not having a chance at winning.
As long as third party candidates do not do what is necessary to develop a base and other political offices - they will forever remain ties to at least one of the major parties and as such just give that party some cover for other offices - and they will remain un-electable for president and represent a wasted vote. Get some governors, state officials and congressional seats - be a real third party - not a pretend one.
And as long as third party candidates only start their runs as spoilers because they don’t like the major party candidate or candidates - then no one will take them seriously …
Case in point - Sanders is the longest serving Independent in the Senate.
The Independent Party is the most successful third party option … they have people elected at the City, County, State and Federal Level.
As an Independent - Sanders always 100% caucused with the Democrats
When Bernie decided to run for President - did he seek his to represent his Third Party and win their support for his candidacy? No … Why not?
If a Third Party could win - there existed the perfect foundation upon which to run - known candidate, congressional voting record and successful party from which to launch …
Its not the attitude that is stopping people - its the reality … it can be done - but people [INSERT YOUR NAME HERE} would have to work and support [with time and money] the effort for years to make it happen and gather the millions of like minded people to do likewise … as long as it is a last minute “I want to play at this game” attempt - it is doomed
So - if I were you - I would start now … you might have a ground game in 6 to 8 years - maybe - if you can find a George Soros to fund you … but if you wait until the last 3 months of 2020 or 2024 … then you will be still complaining about people whining it cant be done
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Though I voted for him, I don’t trust Trump. He was (and maybe still is) a Friend of Bill. He likely won’t prosecute Hillary. He was (and maybe still is) very connected to other elites. Rumor has it he may name neocons and globalists to some of his important open positions. He’s always had a bombastic ego and has made it about himself all his life.
But I saw no way in which I could as a Catholic justify voting for Hillary. Her anti-Catholicism is well documented via Wikileaks. Her running mate Kaine is Catholic in name only. Trump hit her on this when they were attending the Al Smith dinner. Her hypocrisy is in full evidence: talking about gun control in order to protect 3 year old children but being perfectly okay with terminating children’s lives before they are born. Along those lines, Margaret Sanger is one of Hillary’s biggest heroes, check that one out.
I’ve spent a fair amount of time in the swing states in the Rust Belt and I will say this much: It’s hard to feel white privilege when one is making $8/hour because that good factory job is long gone. Try getting off the interstates and driving thru some of these abandoned cities. Plus it’s hard to feel for a candidate who calls him a “deplorable”.
Racist? I don’t know about that, this is the guy who sued the country clubs in Palm Beach to force them to admit blacks and Jews. Misogynist? His campaign manager is a woman. Kellyanne Conway, look her up. Plus he is proud to show off his daughter Ivanka. Look at Ivanka in 60 Minutes earlier tonight, she was the one who sat up front with her father and stepmother.
Obnoxious? yes, he can be that at times, but he can also be gracious at other times.
Warmonger? well Hillary was the one who called for no-fly zones in Syria, she said it in the 2nd debate. which the Russians said would be considered an act of war before she said it. Plus Hillary supports NATO membership for Ukraine and Georgia, which is anathema to the Russians and I do not blame them one bit for feeling that way. Think of that as their version of the Monroe Doctrine. No I do not want war, we have no business there in the first place, heck we didn’t have any business in Libya or Yemen either, but we’re there and that started with Hillary while she was Secretary of State. So the buck stops there. Trump has at least said he was willing to talk with Putin, a statement for which he was vilified as “soft”, but which I and many other Trump voters were on board with as was Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders.
Immigration? I’m in favor of controlled immigration with criteria for who is allowed to enter. I’m not in favor of virtually uncontrolled immigration or of mass immigration of cultures that don’t assimilate well both of which is what we have today. For instance, Hillary nearly lost Minnesota because those otherwise very liberal Minnesotans don’t like what they’ve been seeing in the sizable Somalian community in Minneapolis and points nearby. I worked in that city awhile back and I have to agree with them about these people. My take is they never should have been admitted in such numbers in the first place. Of course it’s bit late now for that, but at least we should at least cut back further Somalian immigration severely until some such time as the current community manages to assimilate better than it has. Also Hillary has called Angela Merkel the leader she most admires. Another big negative, in my opinion. What Merkel decided for Germany is not what I want here.
But I saw no way in which I could as a Catholic justify voting for Hillary. Her anti-Catholicism is well documented via Wikileaks. Her running mate Kaine is Catholic in name only. Trump hit her on this when they were attending the Al Smith dinner. Her hypocrisy is in full evidence: talking about gun control in order to protect 3 year old children but being perfectly okay with terminating children’s lives before they are born. Along those lines, Margaret Sanger is one of Hillary’s biggest heroes, check that one out.
I’ve spent a fair amount of time in the swing states in the Rust Belt and I will say this much: It’s hard to feel white privilege when one is making $8/hour because that good factory job is long gone. Try getting off the interstates and driving thru some of these abandoned cities. Plus it’s hard to feel for a candidate who calls him a “deplorable”.
Racist? I don’t know about that, this is the guy who sued the country clubs in Palm Beach to force them to admit blacks and Jews. Misogynist? His campaign manager is a woman. Kellyanne Conway, look her up. Plus he is proud to show off his daughter Ivanka. Look at Ivanka in 60 Minutes earlier tonight, she was the one who sat up front with her father and stepmother.
Obnoxious? yes, he can be that at times, but he can also be gracious at other times.
Warmonger? well Hillary was the one who called for no-fly zones in Syria, she said it in the 2nd debate. which the Russians said would be considered an act of war before she said it. Plus Hillary supports NATO membership for Ukraine and Georgia, which is anathema to the Russians and I do not blame them one bit for feeling that way. Think of that as their version of the Monroe Doctrine. No I do not want war, we have no business there in the first place, heck we didn’t have any business in Libya or Yemen either, but we’re there and that started with Hillary while she was Secretary of State. So the buck stops there. Trump has at least said he was willing to talk with Putin, a statement for which he was vilified as “soft”, but which I and many other Trump voters were on board with as was Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders.
Immigration? I’m in favor of controlled immigration with criteria for who is allowed to enter. I’m not in favor of virtually uncontrolled immigration or of mass immigration of cultures that don’t assimilate well both of which is what we have today. For instance, Hillary nearly lost Minnesota because those otherwise very liberal Minnesotans don’t like what they’ve been seeing in the sizable Somalian community in Minneapolis and points nearby. I worked in that city awhile back and I have to agree with them about these people. My take is they never should have been admitted in such numbers in the first place. Of course it’s bit late now for that, but at least we should at least cut back further Somalian immigration severely until some such time as the current community manages to assimilate better than it has. Also Hillary has called Angela Merkel the leader she most admires. Another big negative, in my opinion. What Merkel decided for Germany is not what I want here.
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