The Anti-Catholic ABCs - "Anything But Catholic"

[Atemi]

So yes: Catholics fear desperately for those who leave the Church.

Yup: “anything but not Catholic”

Specifically: “anything but Protestant”

Particularly: “anything but Evangelical”

This mindset is deep within Catholic thought and is a major part of her very doctrine. As the OP points out, the same is found in non-Catholic thinking as well. And guess what? Many of the Orthodox feel the same.

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[wanner47]

Yup: “anything but not Catholic”

Specifically: “anything but Protestant”

Particularly: “anything but Evangelical”

This mindset is deep within Catholic thought and is a major part of her very doctrine. As the OP points out, the same is found in non-Catholic thinking as well. And guess what? Many of the Orthodox feel the same.

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That’s not true. I don’t think anyone should leave the Church, but if they did, I’d rather they became Protestant/Evangelical as opposed to, say, atheists or Satanists.

 

[Atemi]

That’s not true. I don’t think anyone should leave the Church, but if they did, I’d rather they became Protestant/Evangelical as opposed to, say, atheists or Satanists.

Agreed.

The very people addressed in the OP feel the same.

I guess they are not “anything but Catholics” after all.

But like I said earlier, I recently just had a devout Catholic explain that she would rather people never come to Christ than come to Christ as a Protestant. Why? Because they would believe so many heresies, of course.

Now I am sure someone somewhere can point out a Protestant anywhere that claimed something similar.

Great.

Where has this all gotten us?

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[wanner47]

Agreed.

The very people addressed in the OP feel the same.

I guess they are not “anything but Catholics” after all.

But like I said earlier, I recently just had a devout Catholic explain that she would rather people never come to Christ than come to Christ as a Protestant. Why? Because they would believe so many heresies, of course.

Now I am sure someone somewhere can point out a Protestant anywhere that claimed something similar.

Great.

Where has this all gotten us?

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My father, a Protestant, would rather that I be atheist than Catholic. Of course, he’d rather I was Protestant first and foremost, but he has a definite “ABC” mentality.

I’ve yet to hear a Catholic say what you’ve claimed. I hope you explained to her that she’s not acting like a very good Christian if she would rather that people didn’t know Christ at all as opposed to knowing Him imperfectly.

 

[Teflon93]

Now you really believe that those “anything but Catholic” folks you mention in your OP always mean “anything including atheist”?

Like I said, you sit in judgment on your own thesis. You complain of what you yourself are guilty of.

I know a few “anything but Catholic” Protestants, but not one of them are “anything including atheism” Protestants.

You give yourself a pass where you do not extend that same courtesy to others. ABCs no more want others to be God hating atheists than ABPs do.

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Atemi, you have yet to make an actual argument.

You simply spout nonsense at random without any evidence.

When asked for evidence, as above, you spout more nonsense.

Shall I teach you how to formulate an argument again?

 

[Teflon93]

Kinda like** the newfound respect Catholics show Luther and Calvin when they proudly show how these men believed in many Marian dogmas Catholics do today**?

And then they use that to hammer against non-Catholic Christians, of course.

More ABPs?

You do know that for centuries your church taught that anything BUT Roman Catholic was not “Christian.”

They taught that “Catholic” is synonymous with the word "Christian."

Centuries and untold numbers of Catholics embraced such teaching.

**This is rooted deep in Catholicism. **

It is RC heritage.

Just because** the last 40 or so years have saw a novel change **does not change reality.

Many of those old school type Catholics are everywhere, Teflon.

You cannot even leave your church for fear of losing your salvation forever.

There is no greater “anything but Protestant” out there!

A little perspective, please.

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More unsupported claims from Atemi.

Let’s keep track folks. I’ve bolded every claim Atemi’s made without evidence.

Until Atemi offers a scintilla of evidence for any claim, I’ll count them.
Let me add to the behavioral profile of the Anything But Catholic crowd----derail threads started by Catholics by:

a. Refusing to address the topic of the thread.

b. Making unsupported and outrageous claims.

c. Refusing to provide evidence for such claims.

As evidence, I provide Atemi’s quoted post.

Now, what other “Anything But Catholic” behaviors do we see?

 

[Isa_Almisry]

And back to the topic.

We’ve seen an example of Anything But Catholic—the strange new respect fundamentalist Protestants in particular have for the Orthodox Church when they believe it can be used as a hammer against the Catholic Church, despite the fact that Orthodox and Catholic are far closer in doctrine and history than Orthodox and Protestant.

Are there any other examples of the ABC mentality?

I’ll toss in one more: when one of my RCIA classmates told his grandmother he was converting from Baptist to Catholic, her response was, “So you’re not going to be Christian anymore?”

Yes, in my history class (high school) I had to repeat that Catholics are Christians.

Perhaps a sign of the times, those who didn’t know that were Hispanic (Protestants have made inroads).

 

[Isa_Almisry]

Orthodoxy is not catholic,but autocephalous,schismatic,out of communion with the Church which is called Catholic.

Ah, Rome has spoken. But who cares?

Every Sunday we say “I believe in One, Holy, CATHOLIC and Apostolic Church.” Weren’t not talking about the church that saw fit to alter the Creed. We’re confessing Faith in the One that holds on to the Creed of the Fathers.

“We must hold to the Christian religion and to communication in her Church, which is Catholic and which is called Catholic not only by her own members but even by all her enemies. For when heretics or the adherents of schisms talk about her, not among themselves but with strangers, willy-nilly they call her nothing else but Catholic. For they will not be understood unless they distinguish her by this name which the whole world employs in her regard.” Augustine, The True Religion, 7:12 (A.D. 390).

“Inasmuch, I repeat, as this is the case, we believe also in the Holy Church, [intending thereby] assuredly the Catholic. For both heretics and schismatics style their congregations churches. But heretics, in holding false opinions regarding God, do injury to the faith itself; while schismatics, on the other hand, in wicked separations break off from brotherly charity, although they may believe just what we believe. Wherefore neither do the heretics belong to the Church catholic, which loves God; nor do the schismatics form a part of the same.” Augustine, On Faith and Creed, 10:21 (A.D. 393).

“You think that you make a very acute remark when you affirm the name Catholic to mean universal, not in respect to the communion as embracing the whole world, but in respect to the observance of all Divine precepts and of all the sacraments, as if we (even accepting the position that the Church is called Catholic because it honestly holds the whole truth, of which fragments here and there are found in some heresies) rested upon the testimony of this word’s signification, and not upon the promises of God, and so many indisputable testimonies of the truth itself, our demonstration of the existence of the Church of God in all nations.” Augustine, To Vincent the Rogatist, 93:7,23 (A.D. 403).

“And if ever thou art sojourning in cities, inquire not simply where the Lord’s House is (for the other sects of the profane also attempt to call their own dens houses of the Lord), nor merely where the Church is, but where is the Catholic Church. For this is the peculiar name of this Holy Church, the mother of us all, which is the spouse of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Only-begotten Son of God.” (Cyril of Jerusalem,Catecheses,Lecture 18)

Yep, that Catholic Church is us. Except on ECath forum.

 

[anthony022071]

Ah, Rome has spoken. But who cares?

All the saints prior to the Schism cared. That is why they are Catholic saints,whereas Tertullian,who fell out of communion,is not.

Every Sunday we say “I believe in One, Holy, CATHOLIC and Apostolic Church.” Weren’t not talking about the church that saw fit to alter the Creed. We’re confessing Faith in the One that holds on to the Creed of the Fathers.

The Council of Constantinople 1 altered the creed of Nicaea.
And the Fathers who came before the Nicene creed obviously did not hold to it.

When the Fathers spoke about the Church,they called it “Catholic”. When they spoke about the faith,they called it “orthodox”,and their point of reference for orthodoxy was the Roman See. They do not call the Church itelf “Orthodox”. There was no such entity called the Orthodox Church prior to the Schism.

Yep, that Catholic Church is us. Except on ECath forum.

According to Augustine and Cyril,you are not in the Catholic Church,because you are not in the Church which is distinguished by that name. The name of your church is Orthodox,and you use “catholic” only as a description. And that description is misguided,since a church broken up into independent ethnic regions can hardly be described as catholic.

 

[Michael_Francis]

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