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mark_a
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I’ve seen it both ways. Which is correct and why?
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mark_a
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Tantum_ergo
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My personal OPINION is the Virgin Mary.
However, I have noticed that capitalization of proper nouns and pronouns seems to be diminishing.
When I was younger, both the Bible and the missals would capitalize He, Him, and His when speaking of God/Jesus. Today I notice in the readings in the missalette that unless “He” is starting a sentence, it isn’t capitalized.
For example, years ago a passage would read, “Jesus went out to the multitude, and He spoke to them”.
Today it’s “Jesus went out to the multitude, and he spoke to them.”
So I’m not surprised to see the small “v” for Virgin, or the smaller 'b" for blessed, etc. It seems to be a sign of the times.
But when I write, I use the more formal capitalization because I think that it makes the sacred stand out as sacred.
However, I have noticed that capitalization of proper nouns and pronouns seems to be diminishing.
When I was younger, both the Bible and the missals would capitalize He, Him, and His when speaking of God/Jesus. Today I notice in the readings in the missalette that unless “He” is starting a sentence, it isn’t capitalized.
For example, years ago a passage would read, “Jesus went out to the multitude, and He spoke to them”.
Today it’s “Jesus went out to the multitude, and he spoke to them.”
So I’m not surprised to see the small “v” for Virgin, or the smaller 'b" for blessed, etc. It seems to be a sign of the times.
But when I write, I use the more formal capitalization because I think that it makes the sacred stand out as sacred.
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roselily
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What is the matter with the thread name, Mark? There is something the matter, is there not?
Apostle’s Creed
I BELIEVE in God, the Father Almighty,
Creator of Heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ,
His only Son, Our Lord; who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the ****Virgin ****Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into Hell; the third day He rose again from the dead;
He ascended into Heaven, and sits at the right hand of God, the Father almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.
In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a town in Galilee called Nazareth, to a virgin engaged to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. And he came to her and said, ‘Greetings, favoured one! The Lord is with you.’
-Luke 1:26-28
Mary said to the angel,‘How can this be, since I am a virgin?’ The angel said to her, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be holy; he will be called Son of God
-Luke 1:34-35
O mother of God! O Most Holy Mother!
Apostle’s Creed
I BELIEVE in God, the Father Almighty,
Creator of Heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ,
His only Son, Our Lord; who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the ****Virgin ****Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into Hell; the third day He rose again from the dead;
He ascended into Heaven, and sits at the right hand of God, the Father almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.
In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a town in Galilee called Nazareth, to a virgin engaged to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. And he came to her and said, ‘Greetings, favoured one! The Lord is with you.’
-Luke 1:26-28
Mary said to the angel,‘How can this be, since I am a virgin?’ The angel said to her, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be holy; he will be called Son of God
-Luke 1:34-35
O mother of God! O Most Holy Mother!
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rpp
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For me, it is always the “Blessed Virgin Mary”. While I may have made a few slip on this forum, I suspect if you run a search on my posts, you will see this fairly consistently.
You will also notice that I try to always capitalize the personal pronouns when referencing our Lord. This is what I was taught in grammar school. I believe it is the forces of secularism that lead many, even in the Church, to abandon this.
You will also notice that I try to always capitalize the personal pronouns when referencing our Lord. This is what I was taught in grammar school. I believe it is the forces of secularism that lead many, even in the Church, to abandon this.
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diggerdomer
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Both. Because they’re true.
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bpbasilphx
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When I was younger, both the Bible and the missals would capitalize He, Him, and His when speaking of God/Jesus. Today I notice in the readings in the missalette that unless “He” is starting a sentence, it isn’t capitalized.
**Actually, the custom of capitalizing pronouns referring to Divine Persons is a relatively late convention (except at the begininng of a sentence). No English Bible did so until the RSV of 1946–no, not even the KJV or Douay/Rheims. (They didn’t use quotation marks, either.)
Not even Latin liturgical texts do so!
Capital letters don’t even exist in Greek and Hebrew Biblical mss.
Oddly enough, in pre-Nikonian Slavonic, not even proper names–incluidng Deity–are captizalized if they are no t the first words of sentences.
The KJV translators asked, “Has the Kingdom of God now become a matter of words and syllables?” I will ask, “Or a matter of capital letters?”**
**Actually, the custom of capitalizing pronouns referring to Divine Persons is a relatively late convention (except at the begininng of a sentence). No English Bible did so until the RSV of 1946–no, not even the KJV or Douay/Rheims. (They didn’t use quotation marks, either.)
Not even Latin liturgical texts do so!
Capital letters don’t even exist in Greek and Hebrew Biblical mss.
Oddly enough, in pre-Nikonian Slavonic, not even proper names–incluidng Deity–are captizalized if they are no t the first words of sentences.
The KJV translators asked, “Has the Kingdom of God now become a matter of words and syllables?” I will ask, “Or a matter of capital letters?”**
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mark_a
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Good stuff.
Thanks folks!!
Thanks folks!!
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mark_a
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Sorry to be dense, but I don’t follow.
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Layman
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I think it’s a good thing to do. It honours Jesus and Mary and the Lord God.
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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They are both true, they both mean the same thing.
Or are the words Virgin Mary pronounced differently than virgin Mary?
I solve this though by calling her the Theotokos.
Or are the words Virgin Mary pronounced differently than virgin Mary?
I solve this though by calling her the Theotokos.
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roselily
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Ah, excuse me.
I understood now that you want honour Most Holy Mother, that yesterday I just thought they are same, forgive my dense words, that- I just want say that we should say : Virgin to Honour our Most Holy Mother! But same as virgin, that when Our Most Holy Mother she said to angel Gabriel , in Bible will not put : she said: “since I am a Virgin,” but will write :" since I am a virgin," because our Mother Holy Mother is very, very tender in heart.
So, I think they are same, like I call her: "mother, Mother! "; "O mother of God! O Most Holy Mother! " They are same.
Forgive my dense words, that before I even write more mean words to others, I even fight with some guys before, I admit it and ask forgiveness, because I feel remorse, and I do not wish wrong on anyone, and some people are alone in the world and is very, very pitiful.
I say sorry to others I had been not very nice to ,
And all Christian teaching is Love, and God is love, that we should love God with all our heart and soul, and we should love others.
Oh, excuse me for all wrong words!
May God bless you,
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Ghoti
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Some versions of the Vulgate I have seen online don’t have any punctuation. The whole thing seems to be one run-on sentence.
bpbasilphx said:
At least Greek has upper and lower case nowadays. And a consistent direction.
Hebrew lacks “other case” letters to this day. & dstnct vwls.bpbasilphx said:
Same as in Old English. OTOH, seems by the Time Modern English popped up, Capitals were used for all Nouns, proper or common.
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mark_a
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Thanks Roselilly!Ah, excuse me.
I understood now that you want honour Most Holy Mother, that yesterday I just thought they are same, forgive my dense words, that- I just want say that we should say : Virgin to Honour our Most Holy Mother! But same as virgin, that when Our Most Holy Mother she said to angel Gabriel , in Bible will not put : she said: “since I am a Virgin,” but will write :" since I am a virgin," because our Mother Holy Mother is very, very tender in heart.
So, I think they are same, like I call her: "mother, Mother! "; "O mother of God! O Most Holy Mother! " They are same.
Forgive my dense words, that before I even write more mean words to others, I even fight with some guys before, I admit it and ask forgiveness, because I feel remorse, and I do not wish wrong on anyone, and some people are alone in the world and is very, very pitiful.
I say sorry to others I had been not very nice to ,
And all Christian teaching is Love, and God is love, that we should love God with all our heart and soul, and we should love others.
Oh, excuse me for all wrong words!
May God bless you,
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roselily
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