The Argument from Miracles: The Resurrection

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danserr said:
lol, no harm done; the quote just looked funny coming from me.🙂
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Ironically your statement taken in isolation is true as far as it goes but it doesn’t go far enough! There is far more in heaven and earth than what science tells us… 🙂
 
danserr said:
I’m afraid your probability calculus is mistaken. Do you really think that Earman, a well known agnostic philosopher of science, made a mistake that obvious? I’ll try to give more details tomorrow, though. If you are curious in the meantime look up bayes theorem. it is not so crude as to simply multiply the probabilities as you have done.

Based on the same logic you are using, there is a 0.0001% chance of that being the winning number (actually far lower) in the lotto multiplied by a 99.99% chance the media is honest. The final answer is 0.00000099. so based on your logic, there is a .000099% chance that that winning lotto number is the correct number. Which is obviously absurd.

If you are really curious I will try to type in the details of Baye’s theorem tomorrow, but it is a little difficult for me to type that sort of thing out. At least though, this example makes it obvious that your simply multiplying the probabilities together is overly crude, and should cause you to reconsider your argument. I mean, I have to repeat, did you really think Earman was that sloppy with his thought?
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Yes, you are right, I was too hasty in my calculus. I forgot to divide the result. My mistake;
 
AntiTheist said:
No, they really don’t.
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Well, I think you’ll have to admit that if there was no mentioning anywhere of an empty tiomb, or of the risen Christ etc. the probablity woud be lower than when these things are mentioned, unless the prior probability is 0, which would be a very bold assertion.
 
gentle_atheist said:
Heaven? Where is that?
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"My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm. Therefore Pilate said to Him, “So You are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth.”

So heaven is the kingdom of truth and love…
And how did He get there?
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Jesus returned as He came - as a human being - but glorified through dying for us to deliver us from evil:

“Fear not those who kill the body but those who kill the soul…”
 
My point is that once you make the extraordinary claim that Jesus rose from the dead, you are then forced to make another extraordinary claim that His physical body left this earth for God-knows-where. But I guess once you start down that road it gets easier and easier to believe just about anything.
 
gentle_atheist said:
My point is that once you make the extraordinary claim that Jesus rose from the dead, you are then forced to make another extraordinary claim that His physical body left this earth for God-knows-where. But I guess once you start down that road it gets easier and easier to believe just about anything.
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Your point fails, because if you accept Jesus’ supernatural resurrection than you also accept the DIRECT implication of that which is the Ascension.
 
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