The Ark of the Covenant in the New Testament

[PRmerger]

in my Nab (a RC bible) they say the Name is Jesus,.

Heh.

And here you are showing that you trust in MEN, Luv. For the footnotes are NOT part of the inspired words.

IOW, again, the ONLY way you know that 3 John is inspired is because MEN–Catholic MEN–discerned this for you.

 

[Luvtosew]

Heh.

And here you are showing that you trust in MEN, Luv. For the footnotes are NOT part of the inspired words.

IOW, again, the ONLY way you know that 3 John is inspired is because MEN–Catholic MEN–discerned this for you.

No its obvious the Name is Christ. what else would the Name be. There would be no reason for 3 John without Christ, or the NT for that reason.

 

[Luvtosew]

'zactly.

And just to be clear, the Word of God is not ONLY Scripture. It’s Scripture AND Tradition.

Unless you have a verse in the Bible that says that God’s Word is to be found ONLY in the Scriptures.

(We are giving tacit acknowledgement here that we all accept that JESUS is the true Word of God.)

Funny, here I am defending Christ and your defending Mary. As far as I’m concerned, Jesus Christ is my Saviour, my one and only. The way to the Father is through Jesus.

 

[1voice]

Originally Posted by PRmerger
You do know, 1voice, that Catholics begin their prayers with these most beautiful words, “In the NAME of the Father, and of THE SON, and of the Holy Spirit.”

Whose name do you think we’re praying in?

Originally Posted by 1voice
… and it’s perfectly Biblical! …

'zactly.

After all, Catholics are the* first* Bible Christians.

… and here I thought you said that the Bible was too hard to understand…

 

[1voice]

Originally Posted by 1voice
You can believe whatever you choose .

The issue is the box of belief you decided to reside in.

Right back atcha …

 

[GaryTaylor]

Originally Posted by 1voice
You can believe whatever you choose .

Right back atcha …

By the empiricle data placed before you, you would conclude at this point…The Bible is the entire context of Christianity/Judaism?

 

[stewstew03]

Funny, here I am defending Christ and your defending Mary. As far as I’m concerned, Jesus Christ is my Saviour, my one and only. The way to the Father is through Jesus.

Defending Mary against ignorance, that’s all…

 

[Luvtosew]

Defending Mary against ignorance, that’s all…

No I’m not ignorant of who Mary is or who the Church says she is thank you.

 

[Isaiah45_9]

Who is the Ark of the Covenant? The multitude of the faithful (Protestant position) or Mary (Catholic position) ?

This was a sub-topic within Anna Scott’s thread Did Jesus have brothers and sisters? And it got really heated so I decided to make a new thread on the same topic.

Why are we going on the premise that the Ark of the Covenant is a person?

Has that premise been established?

Thanks.

 

[PRmerger]

Not at all, I’m just not reading into things that is not there, because I want it to be.

I’m not assuming this or that or maybe this or that, or OH thy forgot to mention it,
I believe many assumptions were made about the BVM.

A tiny book, I didn’t go and read it, but 3 John wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for Jesus.
I bet there is reference to God or Jesus in it.

Yes

No because one of the first apostle penned it, and I believe God had control over what went in the Bible.

Luv, I commend you on using the post feature like a pro! :bowdown2:

You have done waaayyy better at learning to use this than I could in learning to sew. I frustrated my mother something awful back in the day.

 

[Luvtosew]

Luv, I commend you on using the post feature like a pro! :bowdown2:

You have done waaayyy better at learning to use this than I could in learning to sew. I frustrated my mother something awful back in the day.

Well thank you, I did it just for you as I don’t want my postings to be a thorn in your side or a souce of aggravation for you.

 

[PRmerger]

A tiny book, I didn’t go and read it, but 3 John wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for Jesus.
I bet there is reference to God or Jesus in it.

Let’s just say, for the sake of this discussion, that 3 John does make a reference to God or Jesus. And that it was written by an apostle (although you still haven’t addressed that question as to how you know it was written by an apostle, because it doesn’t say that it was.)

Are those the criteria you used to discern whether something is the inspired word of God?

If so, then how do you know that the Gospel of Thomas is not inspired, Luv? It certainly mentions Jesus–lots more than 3 John. And it was written by an apostle.

So why don’t you believe the Gospel of Thomas is the inspired word of God?

 

[PRmerger]

Funny, here I am defending Christ and your defending Mary. As far as I’m concerned, Jesus Christ is my Saviour, my one and only. The way to the Father is through Jesus.

Well, as people here are objecting to our devotion to Mary, and not to Jesus, OF COURSE we are going to be defending Mary and not Jesus.

If someone were to object to Catholic teaching on Jesus you can bet your patootie that I’d be defending Jesus.

It all depends upon what the objection is, you know?

 

[PRmerger]

… and here I thought you said that the Bible was too hard to understand…

Not sure how this follows from the comment that Catholics are the first Bible Christians.

At any rate, are you disputing that the Bible says that it contains things that are difficult to understand?

Also, I want to add a little disclaimer: I never said that the Bible was TOO hard to understand. * You *added that. :tsktsk:

 

[PRmerger]

No not in the Bible.

There are some who will claim that it is. I won’t cite the websites that claim this, but do your own search and you can better believe that they use the Bible to back up their claims.

I know better.

This is not an argument.

(And by “argument” you of course understand that we are using the word in the philosophical sense, as St. Thomas Aquinas did when he offered arguments and refutations. That’s what we’re doing. Not arguing in the sense of bickering.)

So what argument can you offer that a Christian individual is not allowed to claim that he can take as many wives as he likes, given your profession that "all of us Catholics have different feelings about this. So we just all have to respect each other on our differences. God Bless. "

 

[PRmerger]

I am , too. I remember seeing a PBS program on the KKK (who uses *Amazing Grace *as their “theme song”, according to this program. They believe they are Christians, according to this program.

Yup. :sad_yes:

And according to Luv’s paradigm, that we “all have different feelings about this. So we just all have to respect each other on our differences. God Bless” we just have to respect this particular interpretation of scripture

 

[PRmerger]

No because one of the first apostle penned it,

Where does it say that “one of the first apostles penned it”? I don’t see anywhere in the inspired words that it was written by an apostle.

Anyone named John could have written it. (In fact, anyone could have written it and said their name was John).

And even so, where does the Bible say that if it’s got the name of an apostle attached to it that makes it inspired?

and I believe God had control over what went in the Bible.

Well, OF COURSE, Luv!

But how do you propose that God did this? Did the Bible mystically float down from heaven, leather bound and in King James English?

Or did God use MEN. Catholic MEN. Catholic Bishops, to be specific, to tell YOU that 3 John is inspired but that the Gospel of Thomas is not.

So each and every time you quote the Scriptures you are giving tacit approval to the authority of these MEN to tell you something.

 

[1voice]

By the empiricle data placed before you, you would conclude at this point…The Bible is the entire context of Christianity/Judaism?

God’s word, clearly expressed in the Bible, is the plumb line by which all else can/ must be measured. If it doesnt line up with that truth … It doesnt line up.

 

[1voice]

Also, I want to add a little disclaimer: I never said that the Bible was TOO hard to understand.

Just
… too hard for me …

 

[GaryTaylor]

the plumb line by which all else can/ must be measured. If it doesnt line up with that truth … It doesnt line up.

And what on this plum line what didn’t line up, that the Ark is in Heaven? Are we in agreement on this point?