The Ark of the Covenant in the New Testament

[Isaiah45_9]

+JMJ+

Do we not receive the New Mana during Mass?

Check

Do we not have the New Commandment written in our hearts?

Check

Are we not a nation of priests?

I can only hope to have the dedication of a Priest. See my forum name. I am but an earth vessel among many, with the gifts that my Maker has given me.

Sometimes I use them for good and sometimes I stray and wonder away.
I always come back.
And He always shapes me again.

Think about it.

I am. Still don’t see it

Thanks.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Simple words which seem so clear…By Obedience unto Death.

Christ communicated to His Disciples the gift of Royal Freedom, so that they might by the self abnegation of a Holy Life, “overcome” the reign of “sin” in themselves.

Back to the similarity we discussed very early in this thread, nuntym is correct in the Priesthood, and the Ark of the Covenant you are so called to be.

But who is the Ark? Striving to be the Ark so you may overcome is the path.

Gets back to that ole Garden doesn’t it. The test of man.

 

[mark_a]

I’m getting in on this discussion late but I have to take issue with this. Luke is utterly fascinated with lifting language out of the Old Testament and applying it to his gospel. Most of it is from 1 Samuel but not all of it. In addition to the disputed ark of the covenant passages, you have these:

Mary’s Magnificat in Luke 1, which is very similar to Hannah’s song in 1 Samuel 2.

The men of Beth-shemesh said, “Who is able to stand before the LORD, this holy God? 1 Samuel 6:20. In Luke 1:19 the angel says: “II am Gabriel, who stands in the presence of God.” Luke takes the rhetorical question of the men of Beth-shemesh and answers it with the angel Gabriel who is able to and does stand before God.

Compare 1 Samuel 2:26, “Now the boy Samuel was growing in stature and in favor both with the LORD and with men,” with Luke 2:52, “And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.”

Finally we have Luke ripping off 1 Kings 17:23 when he tells about Jesus raising the dead man in Luke 7:15. “Elijah . . . gave him to his mother.” 1 Kings 17:23. “Jesus gave him back to his mother.” Luke 7:15.

The above list is not exhaustive, it is simply all the instances I have found in which Luke uses language in the O.T. to portray a point in his gospel. The practice is so pervasive it cannot have been done inadvertently.

That’s good stuff. Thanks for posting!

 

[PRmerger]

as I said before…I don’t KNOW that it is inspired, it is by FAITH that I treat it as inspired.

Certainly.

Faith in a CHURCH that discerned for you what was theopneustos. Faith in MEN–bishops–who were inspired by the Holy Spirit to INFALLIBLY declare the canon of Scripture.

If you refuse to acknowledge this, you are forced to fall upon the paradigm of the absurd: “I’ll know Scripture when I see it!”

 

[PRmerger]

here is a bit of a news flash…we don’t KNOW who wrote many of the books of the bible(Hebrews included)…

'zactly. That’s precisely one of the reasons I chose Hebrews as my example to pose with you.

If you can’t even know who authored a book you consider inspired, how in the world do you know it was written by someone who was privy to the works of Christ?

(Here’s how you know: you believe in the judgement of the CHURCH. The Catholic Church.)

 

[PRmerger]

I understand what you are saying … I also understand that your default position is that Catholic teaching is infallible and there is no debate.

Of course there is debate, 1voice.

That’s why there’s this thing called the Catholic Answers Forums.

You stand on what you believe to be infallible teaching and tradition. I stand on the words **clearly **stated on the page in the Bible.

What words do you mean, 1voice? The ones that say that Scripture is NOT clear, and in fact, difficult to understand?

Do you realize that you have just said something that contradicts the Sacred Scriptures?

[BIBLEDRB]2 peter 3:16[/BIBLEDRB]

 

[PRmerger]

This statement about Mary’s role as mediatrix indicates far more than that…

… "our manner of praying to the Blessed Virgin has something in common with our worship of God so that the Church even addressed to her the words with which we pray to God: ‘Have mercy on sinners.’” Leo XIII: Encyclical, Augustissimae

What is it that you see that is so objectionable, keeping in mind the passages in Scripture where Paul says HE saves us, and that WE save OURSELVES?

 

[PRmerger]

I don’t see it, and I don’t read into the bible what it does not say. I’m sure** Jesus honored his earth Mother **as we all should honor our parents ,

So, Luv, you don’t want to honor who Jesus honors?

 

[PRmerger]

The Bible is about Jesus , not Mary.

And everything Catholics proclaim about Mary helps us to understand JESUS.

A lack of understanding about Mary leads to an impoverished understanding about Jesus.

Each and every doctrine about Mary only serves to confirm, affirm and highlight our understanding about Christ.

 

[Luvtosew]

And everything Catholics proclaim about Mary helps us to understand JESUS.

A lack of understanding about Mary leads to an impoverished understanding about Jesus.

Each and every doctrine about Mary only serves to confirm, affirm and highlight our understanding about Christ.

I don’t lack any understanding of the BVM, actually I think making her more than what the Scriptures make her take away from Jesus. Of course I think she is special, as I’m sure Jesus does also.

 

[1voice]

Originally Posted by 1voice
Where, in the Bible does it clearly simply state that “all grace flows through Mary”?

It’s right after the verse that says, “All that God wants us to believe is to be found only in the Bible.”

Quote 1voice:
Where does it say that a belief not found in the Bible, as you say, can contradict the Bible?

It sounds as if you’re suggesting that there are Catholic beliefs that contradict the Bible.

I can assure you that there is nary a Catholic teaching that contradicts the Sacred Scriptures.

If you’d like to persist in that assertion, I challenge you to proffer a Catholic teaching and then the Scripture verse(s) it contradicts.

… "our manner of praying to the Blessed Virgin has something in common with our worship of God so that the Church even addressed to her the words with which we pray to God: ‘Have mercy on sinners.’” …Leo XIII: Encyclical, Augustissimae

“None, O Mother of God, obtains salvation except through thee, none receives a gift from the throne of mercy except through thee.” …Leo XIII: Adiutricem populi

“When we have recourse to Mary in prayer, we are having recourse to the Mother of Mercy, who is so well disposed towards us that, whatever the necessity that presses upon us, especially in attaining eternal life. …” Leo XIII: Encyclical, Magnae Dei Matris

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This, then, is how you should pray: Our Father in heaven …
Matt 6:9

I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
John14:13-14

 

[Nicea325]

Originally Posted by 1voice
Where, in the Bible does it clearly simply state that “all grace flows through Mary”?

Quote 1voice:
Where does it say that a belief not found in the Bible, as you say, can contradict the Bible?

… "our manner of praying to the Blessed Virgin has something in common with our worship of God so that the Church even addressed to her the words with which we pray to God: ‘Have mercy on sinners.’” …Leo XIII: Encyclical, Augustissimae

“None, O Mother of God, obtains salvation except through thee, none receives a gift from the throne of mercy except through thee.” …Leo XIII: Adiutricem populi

“When we have recourse to Mary in prayer, we are having recourse to the Mother of Mercy, who is so well disposed towards us that, whatever the necessity that presses upon us, especially in attaining eternal life. …” Leo XIII: Encyclical, Magnae Dei Matris

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This, then, is how you should pray: Our Father in heaven …
Matt 6:9

I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
John14:13-14

And where in the Bible does explicitly state that “all grace DOES not flow” through Mary?

By the way, nice proof-texting to prove your agenda. It is the oldest trick in the book. Have you heard of reading text in its entirety?

 

[Miriam1947]

“Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

He didn’t even mention Mary nor did he praise her in that sentence, nothing to do with Mary there, but the word of God.

You mean Mary was not worthy of praise after saying yes to the angel Gabriel?

 

[Luvtosew]

You mean Mary was not worthy of praise after saying yes to the angel Gabriel?

Now where did I say that, you can praise her all you like,

but I think Mary had her praise just being able to do such an honor for Jesus as to be his earth Mother. What a privledge she was given. I’m not so sure she’d want to be praised and worshipped, it may make people feel good to do it , but how does she feel about it? Jesus believed in humility as a virture so being his earth Mother maybe she did as well.

Like I said I have great respect for the BVM and she is special as she carrid our Saviour.

 

[PRmerger]

I don’t lack any understanding of the BVM,

I didn’t say you did, Luv!

I’m merely saying that the more we understand and see Mary in Truth, the more we grow in our understanding of Christ.

actually I think making her more than what the Scriptures make her take away from Jesus

And yet the Scriptures do not say you should do this.

This is going against the Scriptures, Luv.

Of course I think she is special, as I’m sure Jesus does also.

Good.

And you ought to honor her as her Son does.

 

[PRmerger]

… "our manner of praying to the Blessed Virgin has something in common with our worship of God so that the Church even addressed to her the words with which we pray to God: ‘Have mercy on sinners.’” …Leo XIII: Encyclical, Augustissimae

“None, O Mother of God, obtains salvation except through thee, none receives a gift from the throne of mercy except through thee.” …Leo XIII: Adiutricem populi

“When we have recourse to Mary in prayer, we are having recourse to the Mother of Mercy, who is so well disposed towards us that, whatever the necessity that presses upon us, especially in attaining eternal life. …” Leo XIII: Encyclical, Magnae Dei Matris

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This, then, is how you should pray: Our Father in heaven …
Matt 6:9

I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
John14:13-14

Amen!

Beautiful quotes, all. Following in the spirits of Peter and Paul who HEALED and SAVED.

 

[PRmerger]

I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
John14:13-14

You do know, 1voice, that Catholics begin their prayers with these most beautiful words, “In the NAME of the Father, and of THE SON, and of the Holy Spirit.”

Whose name do you think we’re praying in?

 

[PRmerger]

Now where did I say that, you can praise her all you like,

but I think Mary had her praise just being able to do such an honor for Jesus as to be his earth Mother. What a privledge she was given. I’m not so sure she’d want to be praised and worshipped

Again, here lies an example of your very poor catechesis, Luv.

Catholics do not WORSHIP Mary. Worship (latria) is due to God alone, as the Catholic Church proclaims.

 

[Luvtosew]

Again, here lies an example of your very poor catechesis, Luv.

Catholics do not WORSHIP Mary. Worship (latria) is due to God alone, as the Catholic Church proclaims.

No, I know the word is venerate, but there is a thin line that gets blurred betweent the two.
Not Poor Cathechesis, just observation.

 

[Luvtosew]

I didn’t say you did, Luv!

I’m merely saying that the more we understand and see Mary in Truth, the more we grow in our understanding of Christ