The Ark of the Covenant in the New Testament

[PRmerger]

Herees reality.
I clearly/ repeatedly… answered the question. You dont want to hear it.

… or just dont get it… not sure which.

God bless …

I think I just don’t get it, then.

You have a man-made tradition, 1voice: something you heard from a pastor, who heard it from another pastor…

but no man ever read in a single page of Scripture these paradigms that you’ve espoused:

-everything that I believe about God must be found in the pages of Scripture

-God’s Word is ONLY that which has been confined to Scripture

-the Bible contains ALL of God’s revelation.

You’ve only heard other men profess those paradigms. But they are NOT in the Bible.

You have been fooled, brother, into believing something that’s NOT in the Bible.

 

[adrift]

I take the same position that I take when I talk with Mormons on this forum. If you say something that is not in scripture (especially something that contradicts what the Bible clearly and simply states as fact) and you want it to be as true as the Bible… you have the burden of proof.

Herees reality.
I clearly/ repeatedly… answered the question. You dont want to hear it.

… or just dont get it… not sure which.

God bless …

I have gone through all your answers on this thread. You have not given a clear response to providing Scripture that says everything to be believed is in the Bible. You have stated what I quoted and I believe you think this answers it. I may be wrong but it is the only thing you repeated. As you state, you have the burden of proof. Because as I read the Bible it does not say that it is the only source. What the Bible does say is that the Church is the source of all truth. The problem with your stance is that 10 people reading the Bible come up with 10 interpretations all claiming to have the Holy Spirit and all in oposition to each other.
Now the question that has been asked of you is where in the Bible does it state that the Bible has all that we need to know.

The answer is one you try not to answer because no such verse exist and you know it.

According to God’s word, the Bible came first.

Really? Where do you find that?

 

[GaryTaylor]

EWTN link to the New Ark.

google.com/url?q=http://www.ewtn.com/library/mary/maryinsc.htm&sa=U&ei=WuyST9vHFqXv6AGH9LD_Aw&ved=0CBEQFjAA&sig2=7GUoQltS_FdKeIK_Wq7HNw&usg=AFQjCNFMGwJLuxyb4-wX2qwkCuxH-KFS-g

 

[1voice]

I have gone through all your answers on this thread. You have not given a clear response to providing Scripture that says everything to be believed is in the Bible.

Whats happening here is a perfect example of something being assumed to be correct based on the fact that it was repeated enough times.

I never stated that everything to be believed … is in the Bible.

I stated that God is consistent. Anything that he does or says is always consistent with the things that he has already done and said. I compared the Bible to the Constitution and Bill of Rights of the US. Everything, that God did or will ever do, lines up with Scripture … Just as all laws in US jurisdictions must line up with the founding documents. In several earlier posts I pointed out that, in the book of Amos, God uses the plumb line as an illustration of how he views his word. I also pointed to where Jesus stated clearly, when being accused of driving out a demon by the power of satan, Jesus said NO kingdom can stand if it disagrees with itself … and he clearly demonstrates that the rules are God’s rules … even for satan. In fact … The the entire book of Matthew (where the story is recorded) is written in a specific way, stating/ pointing out specific scriptures of the Old Testament, as verification of what God/ Jesus is doing as the events of the New Testament unfold on the page. Matthew is the very first book in the New Testament … God could have designed it in any way that he wanted … It is very significant … and exactly within God’s established pattern … that God considered it crucial that the words and events recorded in Matthew line up specifically and exclusively with what he had previously said and done.

 

[adrift]

Whats happening here is a perfect example of something being assumed to be correct based on the fact that it was repeated enough times.

I never stated that everything to be believed … is in the Bible.

I stated that God is consistent. Anything that he does or says is always consistent with the things that he has already done and said. I compared the Bible to the Constitution and Bill of Rights of the US. Everything, that God did or will ever do, lines up with Scripture … Just as all laws in US jurisdictions must line up with the founding documents. In several earlier posts I pointed out that, in the book of Amos, God uses the plumb line as an illustration of how he views his word. I also pointed to where Jesus stated clearly, when being accused of driving out a demon by the power of satan, Jesus said NO kingdom can stand if it disagrees with itself … and he clearly demonstrates that the rules are God’s rules … even for satan. In fact … The the entire book of Matthew (where the story is recorded) is written in a specific way, stating/ pointing out specific scriptures of the Old Testament, as verification of what God/ Jesus is doing as the events of the New Testament unfold on the page. Matthew is the very first book in the New Testament … God could have designed it in any way that he wanted … It is very significant … and exactly within God’s established pattern … that God considered it crucial that the words and events recorded in Matthew line up specifically and exclusively with what he had previously said and done.

Thank you for your answer . If I understand you correctly than you do not claim that everything we are to believe is in the Bible?
However you didn’t answer my other question

Quote:
According to God’s word, the Bible came first.

Really? Where do you find that?

 

[1voice]

Thank you for your answer . If I understand you correctly than you do not claim that everything we are to believe is in the Bible?
However you didn’t answer my other question

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1

 

[PRmerger]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1

Amen! This is great apologia for the Catholic teaching that the Word is a **Person. **

However, how is it that Scripture came before anything else? Where do you find that?

 

[adrift]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1

Ok than are you saying that Scripture is God. So we should worship the Bible?

 

[1voice]

However, how is it that Scripture came before anything else? Where do you find that?

Again, you misinterpret what I believe.
I believe that all true Christian tradition proceeds from the inspired word of God. Again, as with all that God does, all tradition must line up with scripture… and scripture precedes everything. The Bible clearly states in Amos 3:7 that: “Surely the Lord God does nothing Unless He reveals His secret counsel To His servants the prophets.”
God revealed it first… then the prophets received it/ wrote it down … Then it became holy tradition … in that order.
It is a clear statement in the book of Amos… and it is proven by the progression of events recorded in the Bible. One clear example: Everything that Jesus did was Old Testament Scripture … before it played out in the New Testament.
God says ‘I will do it’ The Prophets record it. Then it happens.

 

[mark_a]

Everything that Jesus did was Old Testament Scripture … before it played out in the New Testament.

Yes, so much of what God did in the new testament was foreshadowed in the old testament. Even when the foreshadowing involved persons or matter other than Jesus.

For example:

~Mary is the ark of the new covenant.

~Peter is the keeper of the keys.

~Mary is the new Eve.

~Jesus blood is the blood of the new and everlasting covenant.

 

[Miriam1947]

“for you have exalted your Word above all your name”
Psalm 138:2

The Word is Jesus. Not a book.

So is it~“God so loved the world he sent a book, that all who believe in it are saved”?

 

[PRmerger]

Again, you misinterpret what I believe.

Well, 1voice, when you say things like this, it does not leave much room for misinterpretation.

According to God’s word, the Bible came first.

Are you retracting the above statement now?

Or if it’s been misinterpreted to mean that the Bible came before the Church, could you please offer an explanation as to what you mean by “The Bible came first” but you don’t mean it came before the Church.

I believe that all true Christian tradition proceeds from the inspired word of God. Again, as with all that God does, all tradition must line up with scripture.

Yes, if by inspired word of God you mean the word of God in its entirety.

And, all Catholic Tradition does “line up with” Scripture.

and scripture precedes everything

.

So here you go again maintaining that the Bible came before the Church.

You would not have Scripture were it not for the early Christians discerning what was theopneustos for you.

The Bible cannot be the Source. That smacks of Bibliolatry.

Jesus is the Source. And he provided his revelation to the Church. Who gave you the Bible.

The Bible clearly states in Amos 3:7 that: “Surely the Lord God does nothing Unless He reveals His secret counsel To His servants the prophets.”

Amen!

1. God revealed it first… 2) then the prophets received it/ wrote it down … 3) Then it became holy tradition … in that order.

Where do the Apostles fit in there? (I added 1, 2 and 3 to your quote, so please insert where you think they belong.

And, to make your position tenable, you’ll have to assume that all that the Apostles received they wrote down.

And in order to assert that, you’ll have to offer some Scripture verses for that. IOW: what verses say that everything the Apostles received was written down?

 

[1voice]

Originally Posted by 1voice
According to God’s word, the Bible came first.

Well, 1voice, when you say things like this, it does not leave much room for misinterpretation.
Are you retracting the above statement now?

God makes a clear concise statement… Amos 3:7 : “Surely the Lord God does nothing unless He reveals His secret counsel To His servants the prophets.”

When I say ’ Bible" I mean the word of God handed down … starting with the first Prophet to write … inspired by the Holy Spirit…
Gods written record of dealing with man.

 

[PRmerger]

God makes a clear concise statement… Amos 3:7 : “Surely the Lord God does nothing unless He reveals His secret counsel To His servants the prophets.”

Amen!

When I say ’ Bible" I mean the word of God handed down … starting with the first Prophet to write … inspired by the Holy Spirit…
Gods written record of dealing with man.

Firstly, do you have a Bible verse that says that God wrote down all of his revelation?

Secondly, where do you put the Apostles in this sequence of events?

Thirdly, where does the Scripture say that everything that the Apostles received from God they put down on paper? (Or papyrus, as the case may be. )

 

[1voice]

Amen!

Firstly, do you have a Bible verse that says that God wrote down all of his revelation?

Thats the same straw man that you created early on in the discussion.

 

[PRmerger]

Thats the same straw man that you created early on in the discussion.

Look, 1voice, if you can’t provide a Bible verse, that’s fine.

But then you can’t go around and proclaim that all of God’s revelation has been written down then, either.

God didn’t say that.

You probably just believed it because you heard another man say it.

But now you know better.

ALL of God’s revelation was not contained in the Scriptures.

On that you can rely.

 

[PRmerger]

When I say ’ Bible" I mean the word of God handed down … starting with the first Prophet to write … inspired by the Holy Spirit…
Gods written record of dealing with man.

This prompts a question that you may not have ever considered: who decided for you that the Gospel of Thomas is not part of the Bible, but that the Gospel of Mark is?

Why do you believe that God’s word is in Mark’s Gospel but not in Thomas?

Based on what?

The answer: it’s based SOLELY on the authority of the Catholic Church.

 

[1voice]

Look, 1voice, if you can’t provide a Bible verse, that’s fine.

But then you can’t go around and proclaim that all of God’s revelation has been written down then, either.

I never said the words that you boldly proclaim that I said. You can believe it… But I wont respond as if your assumption is accurate.

 

[PRmerger]

I never said the words that you boldly proclaim that I said.

Excellent.

Then we have a great starting point to discuss the objections to Catholicism that you have because “they’re not in the bible.”

You’ve just agreed that not all that God has revealed is in the Bible.

So what’s to object with Catholicism now?

 

[1voice]

Excellent.

Then we have a great starting point to discuss the objections to Catholicism that you have because “they’re not in the bible.”

You’ve just agreed that not all that God has revealed is in the Bible.

So what’s to object with Catholicism now?

LOL!
That in no way implies that the Scriptures are not involved.

I repeat:
I never stated that everything to be believed … is in the Bible.

I stated that God is consistent. Anything that he does or says is always consistent with the things that he has already done and said. I compared the Bible to the Constitution and Bill of Rights of the US. Everything, that God did or will ever do, lines up with Scripture … Just as all laws in US jurisdictions must line up with the founding documents. In several earlier posts I pointed out that, in the book of Amos, God uses the plumb line as an illustration of how he views his word. I also pointed to where Jesus stated clearly, when being accused of driving out a demon by the power of satan, Jesus said NO kingdom can stand if it disagrees with itself … and he clearly demonstrates that the rules are God’s rules … even for satan. In fact … The the entire book of Matthew (where the story is recorded) is written in a specific way, stating/ pointing out specific scriptures of the Old Testament, as verification of what God/ Jesus is doing as the events of the New Testament unfold on the page. Matthew is the very first book in the New Testament … God could have designed it in any way that he wanted … It is very significant … and exactly within God’s established pattern … that God considered it crucial that the words and events recorded in Matthew line up specifically and exclusively with what he had previously said and done.