The Armenian Badarak

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I think I’ve posted that video before. 🙂 Very beautiful. Just so everyone knows, this is the Armenian Orthodox liturgy, not Armenian Catholic (a point I’m only making because some of the externals of the Armenian liturgy can make Catholics think they’re watching an Eastern Catholic liturgy).
 
dzheremi said:
I think I’ve posted that video before. 🙂 Very beautiful. Just so everyone knows, this is the Armenian Orthodox liturgy, not Armenian Catholic (a point I’m only making because some of the externals of the Armenian liturgy can make Catholics think they’re watching an Eastern Catholic liturgy).
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Nothing wrong with putting it up again, right? (Lame excuse 😊)

Speaking of which, I do notice that the Armenians show Latin influence to some extent (the apparelled vestments, the use of unleavened bread, the form of the altar, etc.)
 
patrick457 said:
Nothing wrong with putting it up again, right? (Lame excuse 😊)

Speaking of which, I do notice that the Armenians show Latin influence to some extent (the apparelled vestments, the use of unleavened bread, the form of the altar, etc.)
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I seem to recall reading that there was some interaction between the crusaders and the Armenians back in the day. Also, that they have been compared to the Tridentine Mass or something like that.
 
Anastasia13 said:
I seem to recall reading that there was some interaction between the crusaders and the Armenians back in the day. Also, that they have been compared to the Tridentine Mass or something like that.
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Yes, that’s exactly it. At least the collar-like varkas is a dead giveaway: apparelled amices were widespread in the West during the Middle Ages but was later abandoned in most places.

http://asbarez.com/App/Asbarez/eng/2010/12/DSC_0975a.jpg

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2244/amicemed26730lg.gif
 
For those of us who are fluent in Spanish, there is this great video of an Armenian Catholic Badarak in Armenian/Spanish with some Spanish voice over narration.

The liturgy takes place at Our Lady of Nareg Armenian Catholic Cathedral in Buenos Aires, Argentina: youtube.com/watch?v=kBTqJA6AULE
 
dzheremi said:
Interesting. Are there many Armenians in Argentina?
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Considering the size of the Levantine community (Lebanese, Syrian,etc) in Argentina, I’d be surprised if the Armenian community wasn’t equally well represented. 🙂
 
malphono said:
Considering the size of the Levantine community (Lebanese, Syrian,etc) in Argentina, I’d be surprised if the Armenian community wasn’t equally well represented. 🙂
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Oh, I know there are tons of Lebanese and Syrians in Argentina (and Mexico and Brazil, too…the first time I ever heard of St. Charbel was actually in a tiny village in Mexico), but I don’t know how much overlap there is between the immigration patterns of the Lebanese, Syrians, etc. and the Armenians, given that there are several different waves related to the particular histories of these people. Are you saying that the Armenians in Latin America came from the immigration of Levantine Armenian populations? (I don’t really know anything about Armenians in Lebanon…I know they’re an old and well-established community, but in terms of their immigration patterns…do they parallel those of the Maronites into the West/Latin America?)
 
dzheremi said:
Oh, I know there are tons of Lebanese and Syrians in Argentina (and Mexico and Brazil, too…the first time I ever heard of St. Charbel was actually in a tiny village in Mexico), but I don’t know how much overlap there is between the immigration patterns of the Lebanese, Syrians, etc. and the Armenians, given that there are several different waves related to the particular histories of these people. Are you saying that the Armenians in Latin America came from the immigration of Levantine Armenian populations? (I don’t really know anything about Armenians in Lebanon…I know they’re an old and well-established community, but in terms of their immigration patterns…do they parallel those of the Maronites into the West/Latin America?)
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Generally speaking, yes, the migration patterns are parallel. One has to keep in mind that the much of the Armenian population was outside of eastern (i.e, present day) Armenia, and thus was victimized by the Ottomans. Hence the emigration patterns. Remember that the Syrian Jews (and here I use that term as a generality) have a similar migration story.

In particular to the Armenians, though, our forum friend Ghosty, (whom I haven’t seen much of lately), would probably be better suited to giving more detail. 😉
 
Yes, I know they were outside of Armenia proper; that was part of the reason for my question. If Armenians had followed Maronites out of the region in the wake of the massacres by the Druze under the Ottomans in 1840s-1860s, for instance, this would have been a different migration (of a different population) than the later dispersal of Armenians (and Assyrians and Greeks) following the genocide in 1915 in Turkey, or what have you. Armenians have been so spread outside of their homeland for so long (the genocide also drove them into East Africa, too, and then there are the more deeply historically-rooted Iranian Armenians, Iraqi Armenians, etc.) that I don’t want to assume anything about any one given Armenian population.
 
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