Plants exhibit interesting behavior, which is all the link amounts to. There is no suggestion that plants possess any sort of mental state, feelings, desires, etc–not suggestion that plants can suffer. You are grasping for any twig, however brittle, to avoid having to accept very uncomfortable conclusions.
First, there is a lot of evidence that they DO suffer: humanemyth.org/
So better dead than fed?
I’m not sure what you’re asking. I believe it’s wrong to kill animals for food, even if they’ve been well-treated and happy.
There are many other studies that have shown that plants communicate with one another and exhibit fear.
You are an extremist who is attempting to force your beliefs on others.
It’s easy to assert that there are “many studies” showing that plants can suffer. Where are they?
How many links do we have to swap. You dismiss mine. I dismiss yours.
I will also murder plants, an unsophisticated form of life that has been shown to communicate and exhibit feelings. At least I’m honest about it. You’re just in denial.I’m not “forcing” anything on anybody – but rather putting forth my views, which you are apparently more than willing to read and engage. As for my views, I’m simply appealing to moral principles and premises that you already accept: the difficult part is getting you to realize that they commit you to my conclusions.You are an extremist who is attempting to force your beliefs on others.
Why should we be forced to live according to your morality?
If they weren’t raised for food they would never have been born.
I only saw that one study, and as I explained, it doesn’t even purport to claim that plants can suffer. Let me ask: do YOU believe that plants can suffer? Yes or no? If not, then I think bringing up “studies” allegedly purporting to show the sentience of plants is a bit disingenuous.How many links do we have to swap. You dismiss mine. I dismiss yours.
I am not convinced by your argument. If you want more studies go some pages back. I don’t feel like digging them up again. They’re there. You can post your happy meat article all you want. I do not find it convincing. At all.
Don’t you have any others? I’m getting bored of being redirected to the same one over and over and over and over and over and over and over
Right, and they shouldn’t be if we’re going breed them into existence only to be killed for food.
sigh Fine.
I’ll take a look at those articles seriously, but I’d like an answer to my question: do YOU believe that plants can suffer? Yes or no?
I thought I made that clear? Yes. I do. I believe they are an unsophisticated life form but I don’t feel that means they do not have some form of feeling. Perhaps it doesn’t involve brains and sophisticated functions but that doesn’t mean they aren’t living creatures that feel in some way or another. They react in a manner that seems to exhibit fear. They function in such a way that it seems as if they attempt to protect those of their ‘specie’, if you will. They are very fascinating.
First, the claim that plants “suffer” is hard to make sense of because they lack nervous system, a necessary physiological requirement to feel pain. Do plants feel “pain?” No studies I’ve seen support this claim.I thought I made that clear? Yes. I do. I believe they are an unsophisticated life form but I don’t feel that means they do not have some form of feeling. Perhaps it doesn’t involve brains and sophisticated functions but that doesn’t mean they aren’t living creatures that feel in some way or another. They react in a manner that seems to exhibit fear. They function in such a way that it seems as if they attempt to protect those of their ‘specie’, if you will. They are very fascinating.
However, just because I have great respect for them doesn’t mean I hesitate to raise them for the purpose of food. I’m consistent you know?
Animals and plants are below me in the food chain. I will eat them without hesitation.
Human beings are beside me. They are my species and I would never eat them (even if it was proven that they’re tasty). Why? Because that would make me less then human.
I draw the line at human because all humans share the same species as me. A human being is a human being regardless of cognitive ability, race, or gender. So yes I am consistent. I don’t eat those who share my position on the food chain.
Oh the irony…not to mention the hypocrisy! Does driving predators to extinction not entail their suffering? Please enlighten us on the humane way to make a species extinct.
The racist is consistent as well: “I draw the line at white because all whites share the same color as me. A white human is a white human regardless of cognitive ability, gender, nationality, religion, etc.”
Mental suffering still requires a nervous system.
Then I would have to evaluate my actions accordingly.
I’m not suggesting what to do in terms of specifics. As an abstract matter, the extinction of predators could be a good thing because the world would have less amounts of suffering in it.