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shipwrkd
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Not the one the guy is about to club in the picture…
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Crescentinus
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Armor_of_Light
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Funny stuff!
I have this picture in my head of the majority of PETA members. And it ain’t pretty.
Same for the wiccans. I bet they share a lot of membership!
BTW I was not trying to make light of seal clubbing. It is serious stuff, that.
I have this picture in my head of the majority of PETA members. And it ain’t pretty.
Same for the wiccans. I bet they share a lot of membership!
BTW I was not trying to make light of seal clubbing. It is serious stuff, that.
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triumphguy
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Absolutely: the livelihood and way of life of a culture is at stake! Not to mention the cod stocks.
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Kenny_Kamel
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I knew I had this guy pegged correctly in my first post in this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9793157&postcount=100
And when I called him out further he didn’t have anything to say in reply: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=9793629#post9793629
Sorry folks but there is no point in discussing anything else with this guy, he clearly has a partisan agenda and refuses to see anything any other way. The “yes/no/have to” statement is clear evidence that you either agree with him or you are wrong (according to him)
If he is not a card-carrying PETA member I don’t doubt he would try to get a job working with them directly or by proxy, my crystal ball has been right twice in this thead so far
I’m not trying to bash on him, but he needs to fully own up to this identity he has assumed.
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Crescentinus
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Thanks for exposing him.I knew I had this guy pegged correctly in my first post in this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9793157&postcount=100
And when I called him out further he didn’t have anything to say in reply: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=9793629#post9793629
Sorry folks but there is no point in discussing anything else with this guy, he clearly has a partisan agenda and refuses to see anything any other way. The “yes/no/have to” statement is clear evidence that you either agree with him or you are wrong (according to him)
If he is not a card-carrying PETA member I don’t doubt he would try to get a job working with them directly or by proxy, my crystal ball has been right twice in this thead so far
I’m not trying to bash on him, but he needs to fully own up to this identity he has assumed.
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spencelo
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From which it would follow that they ought to be against hunting. But they’re not, so they’re inconsistent. Pulling a cat by the tail is obviously cruel, but it inflicts less pain and suffering than recreational hunting. That’s like saying slapping someone in the face is improper behavior but beating someone to a pulp is not.
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SamH
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Actually pulling a tale will cause more pain than a properly place shot while hunting. But then you wouldn’t want to admit that.
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spencelo
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There’s nothing to “admit” because your assertion is plainly false, especially when hunters don’t kill instantly. Moreover, the harm from hunting isn’t just from the killing: psychologytoday.com/blog/animal-emotions/200907/stalking-hunting-stress-and-emotion
Will you admit that prey typically suffer more when they’re being hunted?
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triumphguy
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Stop thinking about the individual prey animals (they don’t!) and think about the herd.
Herds are healthier when put under pressure either from apex predators like wolves, or from properly managed hunting.
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spencelo
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Huh? We were comparing a hunted deer to a cat, and I argued that the former suffers more than the cat, which is plainly obvious. So if holding a cat by the tail is cruel, so is hunting - both involve the knowing and deliberate infliction of pain for a purely recreational purpose.
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triumphguy
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Stop with the constant repetition of your party line already.
Why don’t you go to albertaoutdoorsmen and post your opinions there?
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spencelo
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I made an argument, and if you have a problem with that, too bad. So far it stands unrefuted.
Feel free to stop responding to me, but I know you love it!
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Armor_of_Light
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NO NO NO :banghead:
Tail pulling inflicts pain for the sake of pain. Cruel. Sadistic.
The pain of the hunted only lasts a short time, if there is any pain at all. For the sake of food.
My cats play with half dead mice, moles, etc… all the time. That is what cats do. I don’t stop them. To deny them of that would be rather silly. It is in their nature to do it. It is in our nature to hunt, too, but holy cow, man… how many people have to say it?!? If a hunter accidently makes a poor shot, then they go track the thing down as quickly as possible and end it. Have you ever seen a deer hit by a car? It sucks. Poor things lay there flipping around until some ethical person comes around to kill it.
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triumphguy
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.I made an argument, and if you have a problem with that, too bad. So far it stands unrefuted.
Feel free to stop responding to me, but I know you love it!
It’s not an argument, it’'s a mantra and a bad comparison.
*So tell me, do you prefer hitting your wife or your daughter?
Your oft repeated mantras are on the same intellectual par and as intellectually honest as my question to you.
And, what I’d love actually is for you to go away.
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spencelo
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In my blogpost, I mention the hunter Seamus McGraw, who failed to kill his prey instantly. Let me know if you think his prey suffered any pain or not. nytimes.com/2011/12/26/opinion/hunting-deer-with-my-flintlock.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&adxnnlx=1347945935-f3beh8KdpMCRPFHK/qwY3w
psychologytoday.com/blog/…ss-and-emotion
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fficial&biw=1280&bih=670&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=NyDHmFGXoIsApM:&imgrefurl=http://howlingforjustice.wordpress.com/category/trapping-wolves-2/&docid=Hhdgy6jjCM_f8M&imgurl=http://howlingforjustice.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/leg-hold-trap-cruelty_all-creatures.jpg%253Fw%253D470&w=350&h=347&ei=abRgUIzkOcXE0QHOhYGIBw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=263&sig=112805662393914320585&page=2&tbnh=152&tbnw=152&start=15&ndsp=23&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:15,i:154&tx=76&ty=82First, hunters don’t need to hunt for food. Second, many hunters hunt for the sake of enjoyment and pleasure - this is undeniable.
“Based on FoA’s findings,” Feral says, “one can make a valid argument that hunters **actually contribute to the increase in deer/auto collisions by serving as agents provocateurs **who, by their presence and predatory activities in deer habitat, incite the deer to incautious, evasive flight, resulting in collisions. Deer are normally very cautious when entering an open area, such as a road. When pursued, they will abandon this prudence and bolt across a road without even slowing down.”
friendsofanimals.org/news/2002/august/hunting-collisions-survey.html
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spencelo
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It most certainly is an argument. Holding a cat by the tail is cruel because that deliberately inflicts pain and suffering for a recreational purpose (e.g., pleasure, enjoyment, etc). Hunting deliberately inflicts MORE pain and suffering for a recreational purpose. Therefore, parity of reasoning, hunting is cruel.
I find that hard to believe.
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Armor_of_Light
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Spence- This will have to be my last post today…and probably on this topic. Again…seriously, I do admire your dedication and your consistency. Be a vegan, maybe I’ll sidle up to the next table in New York and order a veggie-burger. They are pretty good!In my blogpost, I mention the hunter Seamus McGraw, who failed to kill his prey instantly. Let me know if you think his prey suffered any pain or not. nytimes.com/2011/12/26/opinion/hunting-deer-with-my-flintlock.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&adxnnlx=1347945935-f3beh8KdpMCRPFHK/qwY3w psychologytoday.com/blog/…ss-and-emotion google.com/imgres?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=vGa&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&biw=1280&bih=670&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=NyDHmFGXoIsApM:&imgrefurl=http://howlingforjustice.wordpress.com/category/trapping-wolves-2/&docid=Hhdgy6jjCM_f8M&imgurl=http://howlingforjustice.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/leg-hold-trap-cruelty_all-creatures.jpg%253Fw%253D470&w=350&h=347&ei=abRgUIzkOcXE0QHOhYGIBw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=263&sig=112805662393914320585&page=2&tbnh=152&tbnw=152&start=15&ndsp=23&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:15,i:154&tx=76&ty=82 First, hunters don’t need to hunt for food. Second, many hunters hunt for the sake of enjoyment and pleasure - this is undeniable. “Based on FoA’s findings,” Feral says, “one can make a valid argument that hunters **actually contribute to the increase in deer/auto collisions by serving as agents provocateurs **who, by their presence and predatory activities in deer habitat, incite the deer to incautious, evasive flight, resulting in collisions. Deer are normally very cautious when entering an open area, such as a road. When pursued, they will abandon this prudence and bolt across a road without even slowing down.” friendsofanimals.org/news/2002/august/hunting-collisions-survey.html
Hunters do not chase the deer into the roads. Holy cow (again) stop reading that clap-trap and come to Michigan! Those things are EVERYWHERE!! They are all over the roads even in town all summer long, into fall…all during the rut (look it up). They need to be hunted to keep the population down. And, no way you can blame mankind for the overpopulation of deer. They have plenty of habitat, too so don’t even try it.
Knowlege without mileage equals bulls***. So come to Michigan in a couple of weeks and I’ll take you hunting. I went once in my life and remember kind of how to do it. I’m a good shot, too! Guns are fun.
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spencelo
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A correction: that’s not what the article claims, but that when deers are pursued by hunters, that spooks them to run into the roads. I could easily post *many many *more sources to support this empirical claim, but I’ll leave it at that.
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triumphguy
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- I never hold a cat by the tail. Do you?
- Hunting is a participation in the cycle of life - surely you’ve seen Lion King: you seem oblivious of any other sources of hunting information. Hunting is no more cruel (and more often than not far less cruel, and far quicker) than being killed by a predator, hit by a car, dying of disease or old age, freezing to death or starving to death.
Spenclo you speak an entirely different vocabulary and you do no seem to be able to hear the words we speak.
What you are doing is the deliberate infliction of boredom on an innocent population.
Why don’t you go post on a pro-fur website?
Because of hunting in Alberta our game populations are larger, and individual specimens are bigger than ever before.
In some areas, however there are more deer than ever because there are not enough hunters.
Deer are basically big rats with antlers that kill too many motorcyclists.
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