The Ascent to Mount Carmel

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Has anyone read the ascent to mount carmel by st john of the cross? I was just wondering what it means by giving up sensual desires. Is that like not eating junk food and fasting or can anyone try and explain it to me?
 
It basically means being purged from the desire for sensual or carnal pleasures. It doesn’t necessarily mean that you have to fast or throw out your x-box or spend all your day in church. What John is speaking about is attachment to these things. As St Benedict says “prefer nothing to the love of Christ.” John is saying the same thing. They way to union with God is through purgation of desires for carnal things. He calls these “disordered appetites.” Purgation is achieved in two dimension; the first is the purgation of the senses. It mean denying yourself the gratification of the “appetites.” So if you derive a lot of pleasure out of eating, perhaps you do need to fast. But if eating is just what you need to do to keep healthy and and you get an occasional joy out of a ice cream sundae or a dinner out, but your overall attachment to food is still in check, then you are OK. Eventually, as one progresses in the spiritual life, these carnal pleasures hold no attraction. But that is not the end. Then God takes over and one goes through spiritual purgation, which is purely the work of God and we can’t control that. Anyway that is how I see it from my reading of the Ascent.
 
Has anyone read the ascent to mount carmel by st john of the cross? I was just wondering what it means by giving up sensual desires. Is that like not eating junk food and fasting or can anyone try and explain it to me?
it means giving up being controlled by desires to gratify the sense, of making that gratification the purpose of what you do in life. For instance we eat for many reasons, nourishment, recreation, community, Eucharist, and also pleasure. The sensual pleasure is good it was implanted by the Creator in the food so that we would be attracted to healthy food. However when the only reason we eat is momentary sense pleasure, disregarding health, nutrition, family bonding and all the other good things associated with food, especially when eating becomes an abuse of the body, that has to be corrected. It begins with a spirituality of stewardship that regards food and all other good created things as gifts from God, not entitlements and not primarily sources of sense pleasure (that which stimulates the sight, hearing, taste, touch, feel, smell etc). When the pleasure becomes a little god and seeking pleasure replaces hunger for the things of God then it must be corrected by fasting, by thanksgiving, by correct use of the gift.
 
I tend to lump “sensual desires” with “inordinate attachment to anything.” In my case for example, I have an inordinate attachement to the possession of books. I love owning them. I love buying them. I love having them nicely displayed on a big bookshelf and just looking at them. I love holding one in my hand, looking it over, flipping the pages, etc. It doesn’t even matter if I never read the books I own. It just gives me great pleasure to have them.

Buuut… I’m very aware that I am inordinately attached to books and that parting with them would cause me a fair amount of distress. The Ascent of Mount Carmel reminds me that if I am to keep on striving for genuine union with Christ, I need to purge myself of the chains that bind me to the things of this world - like books. That doesn’t mean never reading or looking at or appreciating another book again in my life. It just means coming to grips with the real underlying reason I am so attached to the ownership of books, asking God to give me the strength to deal with it, and being content with taking small steps towards detachment.

Just my two cents. 🙂
 
St. John of the Cross also reminds us to be detached from the spiritual sense pleasure of consolations, and also from the desire to be thought of as holy by others. In the dark night of sense this is a time to be purged of many things, including consolations and good feelings in prayer.

Our faith is tested when we are in a dry spell and don’t feel anything when we pray. We need to cling to the Lord in this “dark night”, and make acts of faith. Some people stop praying as much when this happens, because they are attached to the good feelings they once had. Their focus needs to be on the Lord, and pleasing him alone.
 
St. John of the Cross also reminds us to be detached from the spiritual sense pleasure of consolations, and also from the desire to be thought of as holy by others. In the dark night of sense this is a time to be purged of many things, including consolations and good feelings in prayer.

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I believe this is more difficult then being purged of material pleasures. It is a struggle to not desire consolations and spiritual pride is always a problem. Yet it is in this struggle and accepting the purgation that we are made holy.
 
I believe this is more difficult then being purged of material pleasures. It is a struggle to not desire consolations and spiritual pride is always a problem. Yet it is in this struggle and accepting the purgation that we are made holy.
Absolutely that. 👍
 
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