The "Ask a Lutheran" Thread!

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I have noticed a trend on the forums - people do not seem to understand what Lutherans believe. So I wanted to make a thread to consolidate any questions or comments you might have about Lutheranism. It could be about our doctrine, our history, the differences between our Synods, what to expect in a Lutheran liturgy, etc. Anything you can think of! I (and I’m sure my fellow Lutherans) would be happy to explain our beliefs and teach about our faith.
 
A couple of questions:
  1. What are the doctrinal differences in the LCMS and Wisconsin synod?
  2. How far do you think the split is going to go with the ELCA Lutherans after the recent decision to allow “gay clergy in a committed relationship”?
  3. Martin Luther was devoted to Mary, as evidenced in his writings. When and why did Lutherans abandon Marian devotion?
  4. Sometimes Lutherans rail against “man-made teachings” (other Protestant groups are more vocal about this too). Since Lutherans believe revelation was closed when the canon of scripture was put together (at least that’s what I was taught in LCMS catechism), how are the teachings of Martin Luther, a man, justified (pun intended ;))?
 
To the PP: Of course ML liked chocolate – he was German!

To the OP: What do you folks make of the joint CC & LC declaration on faith and works? Does that settle the question, or is more theological “fleshing out” necessary?
 
To the PP: Of course ML liked chocolate – he was German!

To the OP: What do you folks make of the joint CC & LC declaration on faith and works? Does that settle the question, or is more theological “fleshing out” necessary?
The LCMS rejected the JDDJ.
 
A couple of questions:
  1. What are the doctrinal differences in the LCMS and Wisconsin synod?
There are two principal differences between the WELS and the LCMS. The first is their respective understandings of church fellowship. The WELS has a ‘unit’ concept of fellowship; they believe that all aspects of fellowship are on the same level. This means that altar fellowship is placed on the same level as prayer fellowship. As such, WELS are very careful about prayer and will generally not pray publicly with those who are not in communion with their Synod. The LCMS has historically distinguished between types of fellowship; i.e. an LCMS pastor will not (or should not anyway) commune someone who is not LCMS or one of her sister churches abroad. However, an LCMS pastor may pray with Christians of other denominations.

The second large difference is regarding the office of the holy ministry. The LCMS teaches that the pastoral office is distinctly ordained by Christ, and therefore should be thought of in a different light than other functions of the ministry (i.e. teachers and elders, etc.) The LCMS sees these different offices as being created by man for the benefit of the church and to fulfill her purpose, whereas the WELS Theses on Church and Ministry states that the pastoral office is not instituted apart from the other offices of the church.

One other difference is that women can vote on congregational matters in most LCMS congregations (an LCMS congregation’s constitution, rather than the Synod, determines this for each congregation) whereas women are not permitted to vote in the Wisconsin Synod.

It should be noted, though that the WELS and LCMS agree 99% of the time. Specifically with the current questions of female ordination and homosexual marriage/ordination, the LCMS and WELS have been in lock-step together. They have the same understanding of the role and nature of Holy Scripture and the Lutheran Confessions in the life of the church.
  1. How far do you think the split is going to go with the ELCA Lutherans after the recent decision to allow “gay clergy in a committed relationship”?
I pray daily for our misguided brothers in the ELCA. To be honest, the most liberal 1% of the ELCA happens to be the 1% guiding the direction of the church. At my home LCMS congregation, we have received about 100 phone calls over the past few weeks from scared ELCA members who want to learn about conversion to the LCMS. There are many more conservative church members in the ELCA than the public perceives. The problem is that the ELCA gives their congregations too much autonomy.

I believe that there will soon be another split. I hope that the conservative faction of the ELCA will merge into either the LCMS or WELS, rather than creating a new church body (which is the last thing we need.)
  1. Martin Luther was devoted to Mary, as evidenced in his writings. When and why did Lutherans abandon Marian devotion?
That is a great question. I do know that Luther to his death defended the doctrines of Mary’s perpetual virginity, and I do know that many LCMS theologians hold that Luther believed in the immaculate conception as well, particularly Arthur Piepkorn. I think that over time the Lutheran church has gone through periods of “un-Catholicising” at which points we perhaps throw out the baby with the bathwater.

However, Lutherans have never held that one can pray to Mary or any other saint for intercession.
  1. Sometimes Lutherans rail against “man-made teachings” (other Protestant groups are more vocal about this too). Since Lutherans believe revelation was closed when the canon of scripture was put together (at least that’s what I was taught in LCMS catechism), how are the teachings of Martin Luther, a man, justified (pun intended ;))?
This may not be the answer you’re looking for, but essentially we don’t see Luther’s teaching as a ‘teaching of man’ because he simply summarizes the scriptures. In other words, Luther didn’t add or subtract anything from scripture; his teaching simply clarifies and organizes what the Lord has already given us in the scriptures.
 
To the OP: What do you folks make of the joint CC & LC declaration on faith and works? Does that settle the question, or is more theological “fleshing out” necessary?
Honestly it is a mess of a document. It’s a pretty sore subject amongst LCMS clergy. More of a joke than anything.
 
Honestly it is a mess of a document. It’s a pretty sore subject amongst LCMS clergy. More of a joke than anything.
I wouldn’t say “joke”, but I agree that it’s pretty watered down; I didn’t see any significant breakthroughs coming out of it. But, how much can one really expect when there two sides so far apart on such an issue? 🤷
 
OP, what’s your background in the LCMS? Are you thinking of becoming Catholic?
 
OP, what’s your background in the LCMS? Are you thinking of becoming Catholic?
I’m an LCMS seminary student on track for ordination. I have always had an interest in Roman Catholicism though. I was enrolled in RCIA for a few months when I was in college but when we got to discussions about the papacy and Tradition I knew it wasn’t for me. Maybe it’s because I was brought up Lutheran. Either way, I think both church bodies serve Christ, baptizing and bringing the Gospel to the sinful and hopeless. 🙂
 
Hey, you can get ordained, get married (if you’re not already) and then defect and be a married Catholic Priest! 😃
 
Hey, you can get ordained, get married (if you’re not already) and then defect and be a married Catholic Priest! 😃
Nah, I wouldn’t defect from my church body. I love the LCMS. I have known ordained clergy who left the LCMS for other church bodies, especially Eastern Orthodoxy. It seems to be quite popular on campus lately. :rolleyes: There are a few who join the Catholic priesthood, but I think there is a stigma against married priests within Catholic parishes, at least from what I’ve heard.
 
Hey, you can get ordained, get married (if you’re not already) and then defect and be a married Catholic Priest! 😃
Great strategy. 😃
I’m an LCMS seminary student on track for ordination. I have always had an interest in Roman Catholicism though. I was enrolled in RCIA for a few months when I was in college but when we got to discussions about the papacy and Tradition I knew it wasn’t for me. Maybe it’s because I was brought up Lutheran. Either way, I think both church bodies serve Christ, baptizing and bringing the Gospel to the sinful and hopeless. 🙂
Fort Wayne, I presume? 🙂
 
Good presumption. 😃
We just voted to start sending money to five Ft. Wayne students Tuesday night. Have you had a class with Professor Pless on ethics? He just spoke at our church two weeks ago.

(I hope this doesn’t count as derailing, but I like to talk to other LCMS on this board about what Lutheran life is like for them.)

Are a lot of other guys at Ft. Wayne leaning toward Catholicism or Orthodoxy? Do people talk about it much? It wouldn’t surprise me, at least as a reaction against all the leaning toward Reformed/Evangelical teaching at the other seminary.
 
We just voted to start sending money to five Ft. Wayne students Tuesday night. Have you had a class with Professor Pless on ethics? He just spoke at our church two weeks ago.
Thank you so much for your support! And yes I have had classes with Professor Pless, but not on ethics.
(I hope this doesn’t count as derailing, but I like to talk to other LCMS on this board about what Lutheran life is like for them.)
Well if there was ever a thread for it, it’s this one. 🙂
Are a lot of other guys at Ft. Wayne leaning toward Catholicism or Orthodoxy? Do people talk about it much? It wouldn’t surprise me, at least as a reaction against all the leaning toward Reformed/Evangelical teaching at the other seminary.
No, I didn’t meant to imply that there was a big movement or anything. We’re only talking about a few individuals here and there. We do talk about Catholic and Orthodox perspectives on different issues, though. (I actually had to buy a Catechism of the Catholic Church for my Lutheran Confessions class.)
 
Honestly it is a mess of a document. It’s a pretty sore subject amongst LCMS clergy. More of a joke than anything.
Here’s one LCMS guy who believes the jddj is a remarkable document, and as far as it goes, speaks truth. My leaders seem to want an all-or-nothing approach, and after 500 years of division, that’s not realistic. Reconciliation will be one step at a time. In light of the fact that we won’t sign on, even with a clarification statement (like Rome did), I sometimes wonder if the LCMS even wants to take that first step. And if we don’t, I question whether we are a true Evangelical Catholic, Reformation Church, or simply Protestant.

Jon
 
What is the Lutheran church’s teaching on abortion? I heard that at least one “branch” (sorry of that’s the wrong terminology) holds the position that abortion is not inherently evil, but that it is left up to each woman to decide for herself.

Thank you for the insights and information you are providing here!
 
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