The Assumption of St. Joseph?

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Tis_Bearself said:
AFAIK there are no corporeal relics of St Joseph, so that might mean something, or it might not.
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When I said “corporeal”, I meant fragments of his body such as bone, desiccated flesh, in short, portions that are not normally shed by the body throughout life, and are normally part of one’s mortal remains at life’s end. Hair, teeth, nail cuttings, and even bits of skin, are released by the body during one’s life, and from what you are saying here, I am assuming they are potentially first-class relics, even though the saint does not have to die to allow them to be gathered and preserved.
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Ah yes, of course he would have had to die first… and we have a tradition of sacred images of his “happy death” with Jesus and Mary. So if that’s understood then I can accept this idea of St Joseph, some years later, sharing in the resurrection of his foster son. I didn’t realize that this idea had papal approval!!
 
Apparently Pope John XXIII had both St. John the Baptist AND St. Joseph being assumed body and soul into Heaven at the time of Christ’s Ascension, based on St. Thomas Aquinas’ scripture commentary on the Gospel of Matthew.

From Pope John’s May 26, 1960 (Ascension Day that year) homily, auto-translated from Italian by Google:
Already St. Matthew, the first of the Evangelists, had said that at the death of Jesus on Golgotha, in addition to the splitting of the veil of the temple in two parts, the moving of the earth and stones, the tombs also opened et multa corpora sanctorum qui dormierant surreoerunt, et exeuntes de monumentis post resurrectionem eius venerunt in sanctam civitatem et apparuerunt multis [ 2 ].
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Among the Fathers and Doctors who variously interpret this passage of St. Matthew, Aquinas in his Commentary takes a decisive place among those who assert that corpora sanctorum qui dormierant surreoerunt - he adds - tamquam intraturi cum Christo in coelum [ 3 ].

It is therefore up to the dead of the Old Testament, the closest to Jesus - let us name two of the most intimate in his life, John the Baptist the Precursor and Joseph of Nazareth, his nourisher and custodian - it is up to them - so piously we can believe - l honor and privilege to open this admirable accompaniment through the ways of heaven:…
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I see a wee problem with this pious belief, if one also piously believes that the head of John the Baptist is the one currently on display and advertised as same in the Church of San Silvestro in Capite in Rome…

although in fairness, the Church of San Silvestro could have the wrong head, and it doesn’t affect St. Joseph.
 
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Apparently there are no less than four heads all purported to be John the Baptist’s.
According to different traditions, no fewer than four locations lay claim to the murdered saint’s head. In Damascus, Syria, the Umayyad Mosque was built in the eighth century A.D. on the site of a Christian church named for John the Baptist; his head is said to be buried in a shrine there. A skull identified as the head of John the Baptist is on display at the Church of San Silvestro in Capite in Rome, built to house artifacts from the Roman catacombs. The 13th-century cathedral in Amiens, France was built specifically to house the head of John the Baptist, which a Crusader supposedly brought back from Constantinople in 1206. And in Munich, Germany, the Residenz Museum includes John’s skull among a number of relics collected by Duke Wilhelm V of Bavaria with the Pope’s permission in the mid-16th century.
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It was supposedly revealed to one or more visionaries that that Joseph’s body/tomb would be found at some point. Sorry that I don’t remember who and most likely not approved revelations. And on a related theme, Joseph apparently revealed to a seer—I believe it was the recent Brazil visionary— that he too, like Mary, was sinless. Just food for thought although again, nothing approved here.
 
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I certainly would think that St Joseph never committed a mortal sin. Ever. Likewise St John the Baptist, who was filled by the Spirit even in the womb.
No venial sins either? By the grace of God, I could by it.
 
Limoncello4021 said:
It was supposedly revealed to one or more visionaries that that Joseph’s body/tomb would be found at some point. Sorry that I don’t remember who and most likely not approved revelations. And on a related theme, Joseph apparently revealed to a seer—I believe it was the recent Brazil visionary— that he too, like Mary, was sinless. Just food for thought although again, nothing approved here.
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I think Bl. Anne Emmerich supposedly saw St. Joseph’s tomb being found along with his incorrupt body in it. Unfortunately, because the Church isn’t sure what parts of her revelations are hers and what parts were added by Clemens Brentano, this isn’t approved. There’s at least one other holy person, possibly two, who have said something similar, but they aren’t beatified yet and any revelations they had aren’t approved. Meanwhile, there’s a competing pious tradition that says when St. Joseph’s tomb is found, it will be empty.

The “recent Brazil visionary”, Edson Glauber from Itaparanga, got a negative decision in 2017; the Church has declared his visions fake.

 
I agree they likely never committed mortal sins. I doubt they were perfectly free of venial sins though; I think that honor is reserved for Mary alone.
 
TPOTMG has serious Christological errors in it too. I read it (mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa) and it was awful. I told the priest about the errors in it.
 
Margaret_Ann said:
AFAIK there are no corporeal relics of St Joseph,
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I wonder what kind (hair or something that regenerates, or something like bone or flesh).
Margaret_Ann said:
TPOTMG has serious Christological errors in it too. I read it (mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa) and it was awful. I told the priest about the errors in it.
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I would never have the patience to go through five volumes. I have one, and I just found that by chance one time, paid next to nothing for it (nor would I have). I’ve never read more than scattered fragments. I’m reminded of Atlas Shrugged, a novel I got about 1/3 of the way through, and finally said “I can’t take this anymore!” — all of that excruciating detail, made me wonder if Ayn Rand could have had Asperger’s or some other ASD. Fiction isn’t my thing in the first place, I’m more of a nuts-and-bolts, get-to-the-point type of reader. I couldn’t do TPOTMG.
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Margaret_Ann said:
IIRC, the Sisters of St. Basil in Fox Chase, PA and St. Ignatius Retreat House in Ridgefield, CT have relics of St. Joseph.
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It’s likely that they have second-class relics of St. Joseph, like alleged relics of his cloak or other clothing. There are lots of purported “Joseph’s cloak” relics around. If they had a relic of his physical body, that would be a big deal because, unlike St. John the Baptist, no one has ever found his body or claimed to have his remains. Unless it was perhaps St. Joseph’s hair or beard hair, which could have been obtained while he was still alive.
 
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After seeing John the Baptist’s head at no less than 3 churches in Rome, one gets just a little suspicious of relics. The Church was relic-crazy in the middle ages in particular, and they multiplied magically. Thank God we don’t base our faith on them.
 
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