No I’m not kidding. Jesus Himself tells us exactly what He is talking about John6:63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
You do? How so?
really?
May I ask you how you know when the Holy Spirit is leading you into the proper context and interpretation of the Bible? Are you now claiming infallibility on everything you’re saying here regarding soul sleep for example? Are you saying Protestants who are ‘praying’ to the Holy Spirit before they read are wrong if they do not believe in soul sleep and being mislead yet you are the one without a doubt being directed to believe this understanding? How is anyone to know who’s right? Why should I believe you if I pray to the Holy Spirit yet come out with a different interpretation? You seriously think God is going to lead us into a path of confusion after He commanded his Apostles to teach all the world? That’s His divine plan? To have the body of believers bicker on things that should have been solved 2000 years ago? And a year from now the same thing. And 10 years from now the same thing. And a hundred years from now it happens again over and over and over till Christ returns. Nobody knows where to look except in themselves and hope ‘this time’ the Holy Spirit is leading them. That’s insanity man!
He wasn’t talking about real flesh. He was talking about the natural inclinations brought about by fallen man.
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Paul actually tells Timothy that a bishop must be married only once. The apostle is referring to those bishops who were widowers and not allowed to remarry. Likewise, married Bishops couldn’t remarry after the death of their wives because of their divine office and mandate. Celibacy is a Church discipline, not a dogma. Nice try, but no cigar. :nope: Aren’t you veering from the topic again in your anti-Catholic blitzkrieg?
It isn’t the Bible that confers teaching authority on anyone – it is Christ himself. And this authority was conferred by Him on his apostles and by them on their valid successors in the episcopacy on our Lord’s authority which he initially received from the Father.
“I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Hopefully you now understand what my point is.
How is my interpretation self contradicting? And why is it poor? If you will read the verse a little closer. It tells us that the body plus the breath of God makes a living soul. You are right that the body does not have to be united with the breath of God. But if it isn’t it’s called a corpse. We know that Moses was taken to heaven because we see him on the mount of transfiguration. The bible tells us that both body and soul can be destroyed in hell . Matt10:28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. The soul (body plus breath of God can die. Only God is immortal 1Tim6:14That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Well, what the bible actually says does not seem to bear out what you say. I have seen Catholics bring up this passage ad infinitum as proof that Jesus set Peter up as the head of His church on earth. Nothing could be further from the truth. The trouble is they always seem to start at verse 18. When the passage really starts at verse 13. Here is the entire passage:
In just about everything you post.
How do I make Jesus a liar or impotent against Satan? Jesus here is not establishing the Catholic church or any denomination. He is establishing His church on Himself The Rock of Ages. See post #88
I disagree. I beleive and the bible shows that the Spirit is given to all men
I agree that Christ didn’t found His church in the 16th century. But because Protestants and Catholics beleive the lie of the assumption doesn’t make it true. Where do you find the assumption in scripture? I certainly have not seperated myself from the body of Christ and I do beleive that the Spirit of God dwells in me.
Those who preach the gosple deserve honor for the word they preach not for their (office)
Jn1: 14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
What do you think this means?
Forgive me I don’t know what you are saying here.
There may be, but if the assumption is an example of that truth I’m not interested. The bible has everything in it that I need to gain eternal life. Again, How am I cutting myself short?
You just maybe if you are intentionally deciding to be blind to what God has shown. The bible tells us that not all is in the bible, so why would you ONLY look there? God is way bigger then the bible, so please don’t just confine Him to it.
Why is this unfortunate for me? I couldn’t care less if a million apostates promulgate a lie, that doesn’t make it the truth.
Ok, I refute it.
If you mean the doctors and fathers of the Catholic faith. That’s exactly what I am doing.
I never said that it had to be in the bible to be true. There may even be some Catholic teachings that are true (ie. the trinity) But if it’s the word of man it can’t be 100% trusted. The bible can be.
Paul was talking specifically to the church at Thessolenica.
The church certainly is the pillar of truth and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. That church however is not the Catholic church.
Ya, the only one who can forgive sins is God.
Because the first statement is not true the second. The second is.
This is what you say and you are only a man. I don’t beleive the CC speaks with the voice of Christ.
Yes, He does teach even today through His word. But Jesus didn’t define the assumption did He? Pius X11 does not talk with the authority of Christ. He is a pretender to the throne of Christ. This is just one of many heresies foysted upon it’s members by the church.
How does it change the meaning?
I don’t get it. What do you think 1Cor11:27 has to do with Jn6:53
Belief in the Assumption of Mary had existed in Christendom by the late 4th century. The earliest extant account of a Church Father speaking of the Assumption is Epiphanius:
It is only through Jesus Christ and his Church that anyone can make that bodily and spiritual ascent to the highest realm of the heavens either in this life or after death. In the time of the Old Covenant the Gate of Heaven was still closed, for Christ had not yet died for our sins. The Church Fathers and Doctors believed that these great Old Testament figures only ascended to paradise - the Garden of Eden, situated before the Gate of Heaven. There they wait at the entrance gate until the Resurrection of the body on the last day when Christ will return to judge the living and the dead. Only our Lord Jesus and our Blessed Mother Mary gloriously exist body and soul in heaven. Tombs were open, and the bodies of many saints were raised at the moment Jesus commended his spirit into the hands of his heavenly Father on the cross, but this event occurred before Christ rose from the dead. These righteous ones were merely restored to life, as Lazarus and Jairus’ daughter were, and not raised to new life. Our Lord is the firstfruits of the resurrection of the body.
In faith we know with a moral certitude that Mary was taken body and soul into heaven by the power of her divine Son. The spirit of the word of God assures us that mother and son are happily reunited: Honour your father and your mother. Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death. Jesus obeyed all of God’s commandments when he dwelled among us. He gave no cause for anyone to condemn his actions, nor did he do anything he himself would disapprove of as the Son of God. Our Lord could never condemn himself for his actions for they truly reflected his divine word. True Christians must find it hard to believe that our Lord could ever possibly dismiss one of his own commandments by casting the curse of Eve on his own mother: In pain you shall bring forth children until you return to the ground from which you were taken. For you are dirt, and to dirt you shall return. Jesus meant what he said about honoring our parents and he exemplified with divine perfection how we ourselves should treat them. Certainly Jesus would never dismiss any of his own commandments, seeing that we are expected to observe and keep them.
The corporeal assumption of Mary into heaven is a participation in her divine Son’s resurrection preceding our own in the order of grace. This glorious event is deeply rooted in the love and power of Christ and is a sign of hope for all the faithful.
If God hadn’t so loved the world that he gave his only son so that whoever believes in him should not perish, Mary wouldn’t have been assumed into heaven. Nor would the rest of us faithful rise from the dead on the last day.