"The Baha'i Faith"

[flameburns623]

Dear flameburns, your screen-name has prompted me to dwell on the theme of the divine Flame burning in the Bush, and elsewhere, as in this interpretation from Baha’u’llah:

Now, when He saith: “His eyes were as a flame of fire” (Rev. 1:14-16), He alludeth but to the keenness of sight and acuteness of vision of the Promised One, Who with His eyes burneth away every veil and covering, maketh known the eternal mysteries in the contingent world, and distinguisheth the faces that are obscured with the dust of hell from those that shine with the light of paradise. Were His eyes not made of the blazing fire of God, how could He consume every veil and burn away all that the people possess?

How could He behold the signs of God in the Kingdom of His names and in the world of creation? How could He see all things with the all-perceiving eye of God?
Thus have we conferred upon Him a penetrating vision in this day.
Would that ye believe in the verses of God!
For, indeed, what fire is fiercer than this flame that shineth in the Sinai of His eyes, whereby He consumeth all that hath veiled the peoples of the world?
Immeasurably exalted shall God remain above all that hath been revealed in His unerring Tablets concerning the mysteries of the beginning and the end until that day when the Crier will cry out, the day whereon we shall all return unto Him. (Bahá’u’lláh, Gems of Divine Mysteries, p. 54)

O living flame of heavenly love! Thine heart hath been so fired with the love of God that from ten thousand leagues afar its warmth and radiance may be felt and seen.
The fire lit by mortal hand imparteth light and warmth to but a little space, whereas that sacred flame which the Hand of God hath kindled, though burning in the east, will set aflame the west and give warmth to both the north and the south; nay, it shall rise from this world to glow with the hottest flame in the realms on high, flooding with light the Kingdom of eternal glory. (‘Abdu’l-Baha, SWA, p. 205)

**May each of you be like unto a flaming torch, lighted and burning bright with the fire of the Love of God. **(Abdu’l-Baha, Paris Talks, p. 74)
If you thus keep yourselves in readiness, you will become to the world of humanity a burning flame, a star of guidance, and a fruitful tree, changing all its darkness and woe into light and joy by the shining of the Sun of Mercy and the infinite blessings of the Glad Tidings. This is the meaning of the power of the Holy Spirit, which I pray may be bountifully showered upon you. (Abdu’l-Baha, Paris Talks, p. 166)

My screen name is a pun on my real name–and was also intended as a business name when I first came on the Internet years ago, after joining a multi-level marking group. I grabbed some sort of quote from somewhere, appropriate as a business slogan, printed up some business cards–and never did another blessed thing with the MLM.

The screen name stuck however, and has been my primary identity online for lo! the past ten years or thereabouts.

The signature quote was appended on this website when people made inferences from my nic that were never intended.

I think a couple of Baha’is have commented on the parallels between my screen name and some of the writings of Baha’u’llah.

 

[DavidMark]

Of course, the flame is an ancient, and lovely symbol for light and guidance, in so many traditions. Bless you.

O BEFRIENDED STRANGER!
The candle of thine heart is lighted by the hand of My power,
quench it not with the contrary winds of self and passion.
The healer of all thine ills is remembrance of Me, forget it not.
Make My love thy treasure and cherish it even as thy very sight and life.
(Baha'u'llah, The Persian Hidden Words #32)

 

[Lapell]

Is it possible that Christ has returned in the “Glory of the Father” and lots of people not know about it, since “every eye” is supposed to see Him when He returns?
What about people who saw Him before, with their own eyes, and didn’t believe?
An eye is something that sees. Spiritual vision is required to believe.

You seem to assume that all spiritual visions necessarily are authentically from God and according to His actual Word…

 

[Lapell]

You seem to assume that all spiritual visions necessarily are authentically from God and according to His actual Word…

… and that there can be no way the one having the visions can be ever deceived…

 

[Lapell]

I understand, David, that you used to be a Christian (Methodist). What made you switch to the Baha’i Faith from the Christian Faith? Is the Christian Faith so wrong?

 

[arthra]

The “flameburns” above

wrote:

“It is rather a mishmosh of various rules of abstinence (no alcohol or tobacco, for example) and somewhat eccentric cycles of meetings–once every nine days as I recall.”

My comment:

Maybe I can help you out with that!..

For Baha’is alcohol is forbidden… Smoking is permitted but frowned upon…

There are no diet restrictions in our Faith.

We do fast from liquid and solid food from sunrise to sunset for nineteen days before our New Year or Naw-Ruz March 21st… We have a solar calendar.

I don’t know what an “eccentric cycles of meetings” means but we observe what’s called a Feast every nineteen days not every nine days… The Feast is an event where Baha’is gather to pray and review community business and the last part is refreshments.

The Baha’i Calendar which began in 1844 AD/1260 AH has nineteen months of nineteen days each…for 361 days … there are four intercalary days that are added for a 365 day year… Every four years one intercalary day is added to account for a leap year. Each Baha’i month is named after an attribute of God.

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[DavidMark]

… and that there can be no way the one having the visions can be ever deceived…

Hi Lapell,
You are asking the question as if I think Christ was wrong…which I don’t.
Matthew did not think Moses was wrong.
But Jews probably asked Him why he thought Judaism was so wrong.
He quoted OT traditions to show how Christ fulfilled them. But after 2000 years the Jews still don’t get it. Some Christians will be like that. Others will recognize the Shepherd’s Voice and adopt His New Name.
Like-minded believers become communities that grow larger and larger; and thus civilization has a pulsating effect, that will continue forever.
I see now that it isn’t enough for the believers in the renewed ancient faith to try to explain to the previous group, only God can convince them!
So, every heart must determine which vision is genuine or not, and be faithful to that.

Why not keep your comment in one post?

 

[Wahid_Azal]

bahaicultfaq.blogspot.com/

Start HERE (Sourcewatch):

Baha’i Faith
sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%27i_Faith

2. Baha’i Internet Agency
sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%E2%80%99i_Internet_Agency

11: NOTE especially, S.G. Wilson,
**BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS ASSASSINATION **The Muslim World vol. 4, issue 4, 1914.

&

BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS DECEPTION The Muslim World, Volume 5, Issue 2,1914-1915.
at,
wahidazal66.googlepages.com/babidocuments%28westernsources%29
Note
16: Baha’u’llah (the Baha’i founder) On the Critics of the Cause

In
Ma’idih-i-Asmani, vol. 4, page 355
reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/MAS4/mas4-355.html

Translation by Wahid Azal (Jan. 7, 2009)

QUOTE

Chapter 11

**
The Critics of the Cause of God** (munkirin-i-amru’llah)

The Ancient Beauty in the Tablet of Habib from Maragha, which begins with “H B hear the call of God from the direction of the throne by the protective signs/verses (bi-ayati muhayyimin)…etc.” they * enunciate the command (mi-farmayand) *,

By God, the Truth, whomsoever criticizes it , [which is] possessed of the manifest, the brilliant, the high and the perspicuous excellence, it behoveth him to ask his mother yanbaghi lahu bi-an yas’al min ummihi*] about his origins [or ‘state’, i.e.‘hal’, meaning he should inquire his mother about his legitimate conception – trans.], for he shall return to the nethermost hell asfal al-jahim]"…

In Promulgation of Universal Peace p. 322 the following is quoted by 'Abbas Effendi from a prayer by his father, cf. THE BAHA’I FAITH AND ISLAM (ed.) Heshmat Moayyad (The Association for Baha’i Studies: Ottawa, 1990), p.23

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O God! Whomsoever violates My Covenant, O God, humiliate him. Verily whosoever violates My Covenant, erase and efface him.***
17: Note Dr Sa’eed Khan on the Baha’is he knew

From Mission Problems in New Persia, 1926, p. 83, 87 & 89 quoted by William McElwee Miller in The Baha’i Faith: It’s History and Teachings, 1973, p. 289.

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“…There is no conscience with them i.e. the Baha’is], they keep to no principle, they tell you what is untrue, ignoring or denying undoubted historical facts, and this is the character of both the leader and the led…As to morality and honesty, the whole system has proved disappointing…I have been in contact with many Baha’is, and have had dealings with many and have tested many, and unfortunately I have met not a single one who could be called honest or faithful in the full sense of these words…”

Dr Sa’eed Khan [was] a highly-respected physician…who had as a doctor treated the second widow of the Bab, and had for a lifetime known intimately both Babis * and Baha’is in Tehran and Hamadan.
19: Online Books to look at

William McElwee Miller THE BAHA’I FAITH: It’s History and Teachings
fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/archives/Baha’i%20faith%20and%20Its%20Teachings%20by%20William%20McElwee%20Miller.htm*

See as well,
bayanic.com [CLICK tab BAHAISM]

==CAUTION NON-BAHAIS==*

 

[DavidMark]

Bahá’u’lláh says, “The universe hath neither beginning nor ending.” He has set aside the elaborate theories and exhaustive opinions of scientists and material philosophers by the simple statement, “There is no beginning, no ending.” The theologians and religionists advance plausible proofs that the creation of the universe dates back six thousand years; the scientists bring forth indisputable facts and say, “No! These evidences indicate ten, twenty, fifty thousand years ago,” etc. There are endless discussions pro and con. Bahá’u’lláh sets aside these discussions by one word and statement. He says, “The divine sovereignty hath no beginning and no ending.” By this announcement and its demonstration He has established a standard of agreement among those who reflect upon this question of divine sovereignty; He has brought reconciliation and peace in this war of opinion and discussion. (Abdu’l-Baha, Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 218)

 

[arthra]

The book that’s recommended by Mr. Azal is by a Presbyterian Missionary to Persia William McElwee Miller.

It’s fine with me if Mr. Azal wishes to recommend a Missionary’s book but you also need to know that it is not that objective or that scholarly…in my view.

A quote from the wikipedia article on Mr. Miller’s work:

“The title suggests (and this impression is supported by the “blurbs” on the back cover) that we have in our hands a “standard” work on Bahá’ísm … In fact what we are presented with is an all-out attack on, a merciless tirade against, Bahá’ísm, but treated not, as one might expect from the author’s credentials (Presbyterian missionary in Iran for 40-odd years), from the Christian, but from the Azali point of view…Of course Dr. Miller may argue that he and his collaborators have done little more than present facts, from which only certain conclusions can be drawn. But contrary to common belief, the mere accumulation of facts is no guarantee of impartiality.” (Elwell-Sutton, 1976)

Read the article:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McElwee_Miller

People are free to inquire and make up their minds on the subject… The Azali view is one perspective on Baha’i history and the Baha’i view is another.

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[Wahid_Azal]

The wikipedia article has as much objectivity and credibility as the heresiographies of Ireneus regarding the Gnostics or the Republican Party’s current stance on healthcare reform in the US - zero! This, besides the fact that wikipedia itself as a venue has increasingly been denounced far and wide. The article in question was written by Baha’is and it is propaganda, subtle libel, innuendo and defamation all the way, as was Douglas Martin’s only official review of the book.

That said, the Baha’i position is complete hubris: That William Miller was a Presbyterian missionary to Iran for 50 years actually bolsters his credentials rather than diminishes it. But William Miller is not the only source on my blog. I’ve also cited Vance Salisbury’s AN EXAMINATION OF SUPPRESSION AND DISTORTION IN 20th-CENTURY BAHA’I LITERATURE

bahai-library.org/unpubl.articles/suppression.html

which has never been officially responded to by the Baha’is, not to mention sundry other sources. There are also the following articles that Christians especially need to take a look at,
**
BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS ASSASSINATION** The Muslim World vol. 4, issue 4, 1914.

&
**
BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS DECEPTION** The Muslim World, Volume 5, Issue 2,1914-1915.
at,
wahidazal66.googlepages.com/babidocuments%28westernsources%29

That said, can someone explain how it comes to be that the Haifan Baha’i internet committee/BAHAI INTERNET AGENCY is on a Catholic forum vigorously hard-selling their NWO cult? And can someone also explain to me why DavidMark (aka Badi Villar Cardenas) invited me over here to debate with him regarding the Bayan? If he is so inclined, he can come over to my turf at **Bayan19@yahoogroups.com ** and I will happily debate circles around him in order to dispatch him on his merry way.

For everyone else (i.e. non-Baha’is), be extremely weary of these people and scrutinize everything they say with a fine tooth comb, and then scrutinize it some more. They are to the Abrahamic tradition what Scientology is to the New Age. And read through my blog below to see for yourselves the true ugly face of the dominant Haifan faction of this cult of the Antichrist:

bahaicultfaq.blogspot.com/

Wahid Azal

 

[planten]

Bahá’u’lláh says, “The universe hath neither beginning nor ending.” He has set aside the elaborate theories and exhaustive opinions of scientists and material philosophers by the simple statement, “There is no beginning, no ending.” The theologians and religionists advance plausible proofs that the creation of the universe dates back six thousand years; the scientists bring forth indisputable facts and say, “No! These evidences indicate ten, twenty, fifty thousand years ago,” etc. There are endless discussions pro and con. Bahá’u’lláh sets aside these discussions by one word and statement. He says, “The divine sovereignty hath no beginning and no ending.” By this announcement and its demonstration He has established a standard of agreement among those who reflect upon this question of divine sovereignty; He has brought reconciliation and peace in this war of opinion and discussion. (Abdu’l-Baha, Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 218)

DavidMark, do you mean to say that Bahullah believed that Universe was God?. It has no beginning and no end?. We believe that Universe was created. God is the Creator. God has no beginning and no end. But Bahaullah says that Universe has no beginning and no end.

Will you please explain this matter in simple words?? God or Allah is the Khaaliq. He has created things. If Universe existed by itself without any beginning then it means it was always there (or here). And so it was not created by God.

If God did not create the Universe then what did He create?? Please reply in simple words. Does it mean that the world will never end. And there will be no end and no next world (Qiyaamat).

 

[arthra]

Mr. Azal,

If you are indeed an Azali and have to site a Presbyterian Missionary it would seem to me that objectivity is not upppermmost in your mind I would offer…

An objective historian needs to look at both sides…

You choose though to look at only one.

Further comment on Miller’s work:

bahai-library.com/file.php?file=elwell-sutton_miller_bahai_faith

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[arthra]

DavidMark, do you mean to say that Bahullah believed that Universe was God?. It has no beginning and no end?. We believe that Universe was created. God is the Creator. God has no beginning and no end. But Bahaullah says that Universe has no beginning and no end.

Will you please explain this matter in simple words?? God or Allah is the Khaaliq. He has created things. If Universe existed by itself without any beginning then it means it was always there (or here). And so it was not created by God.

If God did not create the Universe then what did He create?? Please reply in simple words. Does it mean that the world will never end. And there will be no end and no next world (Qiyaamat).

For Baha’is creation is an ongoing process that didn’t stop with “the sixth day” and we believe creation preceded the “first day” of Genesis …So the universe has neither beginning or end and means in our view that God hasn’t rested…

In this way cycles begin, end and are renewed, until a universal cycle is completed in the world, when important events and great occurrences will take place which entirely efface every trace and every record of the past; then a new universal cycle begins in the world, for this universe has no beginning.

(Abdu’l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 160)

THE UNIVERSE IS WITHOUT BEGINNING

THE ORIGIN OF MAN

Know that it is one of the most abstruse spiritual truths that the world of existence – that is to say, this endless universe – has no beginning.
We have already explained that the names and attributes of the Divinity themselves require the existence of beings. Although this subject has been explained in detail, we will speak of it again briefly. Know that an educator without pupils cannot be imagined; a monarch without subjects could not exist; a master without scholars cannot be appointed; a creator without a creature is impossible; a provider without those provided for cannot be conceived; for all the divine names and attributes demand the existence of beings. If we could imagine a time when no beings existed, this imagination would be the denial of the Divinity of God. Moreover, absolute nonexistence cannot become existence. If the beings were absolutely nonexistent, existence would not have come into being. Therefore, as the Essence of Unity (that is, the existence of God) is everlasting and eternal – that is to say, it has neither beginning nor end – it is certain that this world of existence, this endless universe, has neither beginning nor end. Yes, it may be that one of the parts of the universe, one of the globes, for example, may come into existence, or may be disintegrated, but the other endless globes are still existing; the universe would not be disordered nor destroyed. 181 On the contrary, existence is eternal and perpetual. As each globe has a beginning, necessarily it has an end because every composition, collective or particular, must of necessity be decomposed. The only difference is that some are quickly decomposed, and others more slowly, but it is impossible that a composed thing should not eventually be decomposed.

(Abdu’l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 179)

 

[Lapell]

Hi Lapell,
You are asking the question as if I think Christ was wrong…which I don’t.
Matthew did not think Moses was wrong.
But Jews probably asked Him why he thought Judaism was so wrong.
He quoted OT traditions to show how Christ fulfilled them. But after 2000 years the Jews still don’t get it. Some Christians will be like that. Others will recognize the Shepherd’s Voice and adopt His New Name.
Like-minded believers become communities that grow larger and larger; and thus civilization has a pulsating effect, that will continue forever.
I see now that it isn’t enough for the believers in the renewed ancient faith to try to explain to the previous group, only God can convince them!
So, every heart must determine which vision is genuine or not, and be faithful to that.

If every heart is to determine which vision is genuine or not like you are saying, then there should be sure, solid, objective criterias to do so, should there not? And where would they be coming from? Obviously you already see that it can’t come from a tabula rasa mentality, but still how can you make sure you have the right criteria and not the wrong ones, or that none of your criteria are wrong?

 

[Lapell]

Hi Lapell,
You are asking the question as if I think Christ was wrong…which I don’t.(…)

Lapell: -The question on # 760? If you don’t believe Jesus was wrong, then why did you leave Christianity for the Baha’i Faith?

Why not keep your comment in one post?

Do you find it difficult to read when I put a couple of related ideas in separate posts?

 

[arthra]

If every heart is to determine which vision is genuine or not like you are saying, then there should be sure, solid, objective criterias to do so, should there not? And where would they be coming from? Obviously you already see that it can’t come from a tabula rasa mentality, but still how can you make sure you have the right criteria and not the wrong ones, or that none of your criteria are wrong?

II’d like to respond to that…

You know every person who declares their belief in Baha’u’llah is expected to independently investigate the Faith…

So it could be different for each person.

Abdul-Baha indicates there are four criteria for a person to reach the truth…

1. Through the senses;
2. Through the intellect;
3. Through tradition or scriptural investigation;
4. Through inspiration…

Abdul-Baha concludes:

*Consequently, it has become evident that the four criteria or standards of judgment by which the human mind reaches its conclusions are faulty and inaccurate. All of them are liable to mistake and error in conclusions. But **a statement presented to the mind accompanied by proofs which the senses can perceive to be correct, ***

***which the faculty of reason can accept, ***

which is in accord with traditional authority

*** and sanctioned by the promptings of the heart, ***

***can be adjudged and relied upon as perfectly correct, for it has been proved and tested by all the standards of judgment and found to be complete. ***

When we apply but one test, there are possibilities of mistake. This is self-evident and manifest.

(Abdu’l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 254)

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[DavidMark]

I like Lapells question. The criteria have to be set by real divine Revelations, which have proved themselves over time. (Baha’i is only about 160 years, but I’d say it’s done a pretty good job so far… but) Christian proofs are often related to OT prophecies.

Christ gave three criteria that are critical:
First Sign:
And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them…this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Matthew 24:3-4 & 14)
The Christian Gospel was preached on all continents by 1844. It was also spread by Muhammad among people who had not known about Jesus; even though some “Christians” do not want to admit it

Second Sign:
And they asked Him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass? And He said…they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. (Luke 21:7 & 24)

Third Sign:
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand). (Matthew 24:15) Jesus refers to the following prophecy in Daniel 8:13-14: …How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Jesus also gave three signs, or proofs, that had to appear:

First Proof
Deuteronomy 18:21 'How may we know the word which the Lord has not spoken? --When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumtuously, you need not be afraid of him.
Baha’u’llah gave many prophecies, in the name of the Lord. Here is one of them:
O banks of the Rhine! We have seen you covered with gore, inasmuch as the swords of retribution were drawn against you; and you shall have another turn. And We hear the lamentations of Berlin, though she be today in conspicuous glory. (Kitab-i-Aqdas, #90)
Now could someone explain to me why, after He wrote this from Akko, in Palestine, in 1873, in the name of the Lord, that we should forget God’s instruction in Deuteronomy?

Second Proof
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (1 John 4:2 & 3 KJV) [The testimonies to Christ are as natural as Christ’s to Moses.]

The Hour which We had concealed from the knowledge of the peoples of the earth and of the favoured angels hath come to pass. Say: verily, He hath testified of Me, and I do testify of Him. Indeed, He hath purposed no one other than Me. Unto this beareth witness every fair-minded and understanding soul. (Tablet to the Christians, Tablets of Baha’u’llah, p. 11)

Third Proof
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. (Matthew 7:16-20) [So what are the fruits? Notice Jesus repeats that **you SHALL know them by this test.]

**This teaching is of the Spirit, in it is no precept which is not of the Divine Spirit. **
(‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Paris Talks, p. 85)

 

[Wahid_Azal]

Mr. Azal,

If you are indeed an Azali and have to site a Presbyterian Missionary it would seem to me that objectivity is not upppermmost in your mind I would offer…

You seem to be arguing typical Bahai argumentative red herrings and non sequitors. Miller is only one source I have cited on my blog. But that aside, since you people seem to have a longstanding bee in your bonnet regarding Miller, besides your irrelevent complaint that he was a Presbyterian Missionary, do you people actually have anything on the facts and content of Miller’s book you have a problem with? You don’t, and neither does Douglas Martin or the link you provided from your Baha’i resources library below. The entire complaint of Bahais regarding Miller reduces to nothing more than libel, innuendo and defamation about Miller’s character rather than anything about the actual content of the work itself.

An objective historian needs to look at both sides…

This is quite a rich complaint coming from you people who don’t know the actual meaning of “objective history” seeing how your entire historiography is contrived, tampered with and whitewashed from start to finish. Miller did the best he could with the material at his disposal and as such was far more objective than any Baha’i historian before or since.

You choose though to look at only one.

Since I am an ex-Bahai from a Persian Bahai family, who claim your cult for six generations on one side, I believe I have looked at all the sides far deeper and comprehensively than you or your glaze-eyed lot here. Plus unlike many of you, including Sen McGlinn here, I actually know the source languages and have read pretty much everything, material which most of you don’t and will never have access to.

bahai-library.com/file.php?file=elwell-sutton_miller_bahai_faith

Worth much less in content than the wikipedia link put up earlier.

And we are called BAYANIS, not Azalis (a term of derision fabricated by Abbas Effendi, your British stooge center of the covenant).

Wahid Azal

bahaicultfaq.blogspot.com/

 

[arthra]

Wahid Azal…

wrote above:

“And we are called BAYANIS, not Azalis (a term of derision fabricated by Abbas Effendi, your British stooge center of the covenant).”

I wonder how your Perisan Baha’i family would respond to your statement… Well enough… You are a Bayani not an Azali.

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