"The Baha'i Faith"

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It is strange that many groups recognize that the prophecy of 490 years and the prophecy of 2300 years both begin in 456-7 BC. The first one comes to 33 CE. And when the disciples asked Jesus about His return, He refers them to the verse in Daniel, meaning that He will come in 1844! Now, you can say no man knows the time, and you’d be right. God knew. He didn’t tell the Hour …but the year could be learned many ways. No one can dispute this unless they are like Pharisees, who couldn’t accept Jesus’ first coming.
 
Excuse me David, but I believe that you did not answer my question.
Why didn’t the Christians follow Bahaullah, if he was the true second coming of Jesus Christ, when Christians did follow Jesus Christ?
 
Some Christians have recognized Baha’u’llah as the Return of Christ… and some Muslims also believe He fulfilled the prophecies of the Return of Christ and the appearance of the Twelfth Imam… Some Buddhists have now recognized Baha’u’llah as promised Maitreya.

Around the time of the Manifestation of Jesus most people rejected Him as Messiah and this rejection is usually the initial reaction to a Manifestation of God, People would see Prophet Muhammad coming they would thrown thorns in His path and deride the new Message from God. Zoroaster after six years of His Mission had one person who believed in Him… His cousin.

There is a photo of Baha’u’llah on the web and it was first included in a book by a Presbyterian missionary to Iran some years ago… The photo was taken after Baha’u’llah was imprisoned in the Siyyah Chal (Black Pit) prison in Teheran. It is not however the photo that is in the Baha’i archives building in Haifa, Israel. Anyway Baha’is believe photos of Baha’u’llah should be treated with respect and not posted on the web. Generally for us Baha’is representations of say Jesus or Moses are also not generally displayed as among say many Christians as we feel it is disrespectful to the Manifestations of God.
 
vivs3 said:
Excuse me David, but I believe that you did not answer my question.
Why didn’t the Christians follow Bahaullah, if he was the true second coming of Jesus Christ, when Christians did follow Jesus Christ?
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Quite a few Christians *have *become Bahais, and no doubt more will. Quite a few Jews and Muslims have too. Perhaps if you could explain your question more. Are you asking why the process is so slow? But Chrisianity grew only slowly too, as Gibbons pointed out. Rodney Stark has recently analysed the process for early Christianity, and must of what he says applies also to the Bahai Faith in the past 150 years.

Sen
 
I stronly suspect if there were more civil liberties allowing people to practise their own religion there would be more Baha’is in say countries like Iran…😉
 
vivs3 said:
Excuse me David, but I believe that you did not answer my question.
Why didn’t the Christians follow Bahaullah, if he was the true second coming of Jesus Christ, when Christians did follow Jesus Christ?
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Why didn’t the Jews follow Jesus!
When did it ever say everyone would follow the Returned Christ?
Some are resurrected to everlasting life, and some to everlasting contempt.
You have seen Him, you’ve just ignored Him so far. Come on, let’s follow the Lord!

Glad Tidings! Glad Tidings!

The doors of the Kingdom are open.

Glad Tidings! Glad Tidings!

Armies of angels are descending from heaven.

Glad Tidings! Glad Tidings!

The Sun of Truth is rising.

Glad Tidings! Glad Tidings!

The Heavenly Food is being sent from above.

Glad Tidings! Glad Tidings!

The Trumpet is sounding.

Glad Tidings! Glad Tidings!

The Banner of the Great Peace is floating far and wide.

Glad Tidings! Glad Tidings!

The Light of the Oneness of Humanity is burning brightly.

Glad Tidings! Glad Tidings!

The Fire of the Love of God is blazing.

Glad Tidings! Glad Tidings!

The Holy Spirit is being outpoured.

Glad Tidings! Glad Tidings!

For Everlasting Life is here.

O ye that sleep awake!

O ye heedless ones learn wisdom!

O blind receive sight!

O deaf hear!

O dumb speak!

O dead arise!

Be Happy!

Be Happy!

Be full of

JOY.
 
ok well I shall rephrase what I mean.
I believe that when Jesus said he will return to earth, that all Christians would know and follow him.
I guess what I’m trying to get is that if Bahaullah was really the second coming of christ, all christians would have followed him and therefore a new religion would have not started up, because the christians followed.
All christians would have followed him because they would have known that he was the second coming of christ, but they didn’t. That’s why i don’t think bahaullah is the second comin of christ, but I do believe he did come.
I’m really sorrry if I offended any bahais, it’s jst I’ve got this friend and I talked to him heaps about his faith - his bahai - and we’re not getting anywhere, and I think our friendship may have died down because we really bagged out each other’s faith, but anyway that’s besides the point.
 
You sound real nice today Badi1919,
But I remember the insult you made.
Let’s see how you’d look if you had just been poisened,
had lived in inadequate housing in Adrianople, etc etc
been bastinadoed in Amul, endured the Black Pit’s chains for months,
had all the major mullahs of Baghdad, but one, thirsty for your blood…
…So I was appalled by the adjective you chose to describe Him.
Long hair and a beard were signs of a purely spiritual life;
but the reality of a person is their thought, not their outward aspect.

There have issued, from His mighty Pen,
various teachings for the prevention of war,
and these have been scattered far and wide.
The first is the independent investigation of truth;
for blind imitation of the past will stunt the mind.
But once every soul inquireth into truth,
society will be freed from the darkness
of continually repeating the past.
~ Selections from the Writings of Abdu’l-Baha, p. 247
 
Vivs wrote above:

“I guess what I’m trying to get is that if Bahaullah was really the second coming of christ, all christians would have followed him and therefore a new religion would have not started up, because the christians followed.”

Thanks Vivs for your post… allow me to respond…🙂

My reply:

When Jesus Christ appeared He fulfilled the prophecies of the Messiah but only relatively few Jews accepted Him…the rest rejected Him and His followers were persecuted and martyred… that’s how things work with mankind…

But I’ll give a historical example…

There were thousands of Christians in the US that were expecting the return of Christ in 1844… their movement was called the Millerite movement… They believed Christ would descend from the literal heavens and they would meet Him in the air… Some purchased “Ascension Robes” and waited in the hill tops… and sold their possessions…

They missed the the boat because they were expecting the prophecy to be literally fulfilled so that’s one reason.

They did get the chronology right though in our view as the Bab declared His mission first in May 22-23rd 1844 (the year 1260 AH in the Muslim calendar) in Shiraz and in November during the Haj the Bab openly declared Himself as the Promised One in Mecca in front of the Kaaba.

Many Shiah Muslims were looking for the Reappearance of the Twelfth Imam who disappeared in the year 260 AH and there was a group that believed He would Return or reappear in 1260 AH.

So the Bab we believe fulfilled the prophecies we believe of both Christian and Muslim in the year 1844/1260…

He the Bab prophesied that One Who God would make manifest would shortly appear and we Baha’is believe that was Baha’u’llah. The Bab was something of a John the Baptist and stirred things up in the Middle East for the Manifestation of Baha’u’llah.
 
Abdu’l-Baha speaks of the four methods of acquiring knowledge in Some Answered Questions. We can apply these to knowing about a true Messenger of God.
The first is sense perception, which is unreliable. Even people who saw Jesus and Baha’u’llah with their own eyes did not believe, or even persecuted Them. Animals surpass us in every one of the senses to, and they cannot think abstractly etc.

The second is rational reasoning, which a person might use to justify a Messenger and then turn around and use it again to disprove Him. Yet this is a potent way for humans to believe in things, since it is what distinguishes us. Hopefully it is what we are trying to do in here. We are supposed to test the fruits of the Teachings to see if they are good for mankind, and if they testify that Jesus came in the flesh, if His prophecies come true, etc.

The third of understanding is by tradition. An example would be the prophecies I have mentioned from the OT & NT. The Time of the Gentiles is obviously over, and there is no other claimant that even comes close to the majesty of Baha’u’llah; but people will not admit it, and stubbornly manufacture any sort of response except the one of submission.

The fourth method of knowing the truth of a Prophetic claim is the most satisfying.
“…the bounty of the Holy Spirit gives the true method of comprehension which is infallible and indubitable. …and this is the condition in which certainty can alone be attained.” (Abdu’l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 298)
 
Thanks for your comment ‘arthra’. I appreciate it.
However, if I don’t ever accept that Bahaullah was really the second coming of Christ, then am I, some way, going against God?
Will that make me a bad person, and I’ll never be given the gift of eternal salvation?
 
Dear Brothers,

Today’s link.

http://bahaicult.blogspot.com

I respect all the religions and religious figures. I do not have personal enmity with Bahaullah. His teaching are good. A combination of Christianity and Shi’ite Islam. Good work Bahaullah! I m sorry David if I hurt you in any manner.

But we need to study every aspect of a religion if we are serious about it. All windows must be opened.

Viv3 is a new member with less then 10 posts and he is very interested in Baha’i faith. He is free to accept Baha’u’llah as the manifestation of god.

My thoughts, I may be wrong, that Viv3 is already a Baha’i or it is another ID of David or any other baha’i. I may be wrong. But this is their way of propagation and this type of behavior is encouraged by “Bahai Internet Agency” for propagation of their faith.

Sorry David,

Thank you
God bless you all.
 
No. ViV3 and I are not the same.
I would post here even if no one responded,
so there is authoritative information
with an abundance of “holiness”.

I have shown how the “seventy weeks” prophecy refers to Christ’s crucifixion;
and when He was asked about His return another time, He referred them to Daniel,
meaning the “2300 days” prophecy, which began at the same time and concluded in 1844.

Another time He said the “time of the gentiles” had to be completed, which happened in 1844, which was also the year 1260. If one extrapolates back in time from 1844, it becomes obvious that Muhammad and Ali are the “Two Witnesses” in Revelation 11.

I know it bites for some, but there is Muhammad, right there in the Bible.
Revelation 12 is about the 12 Imams and the Bab coming from Persia in 1260 again.

Then, Abdul-Baha explained these things and came to the West in 1912, explaining about Muhammad in synagogues and churches! This had never been done before. Why?
Because this is the Promised Day. Praise be to God, the Lord of all the worlds!
 
vivs3 said:
… if I don’t ever accept that Bahaullah was really the second coming of Christ, then am I, some way, going against God?
Will that make me a bad person, and I’ll never be given the gift of eternal salvation?
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God knows. Perhaps you have an inkling yourself. But who am I to express an opinion on that one? I do know that Abdu’l-Baha says:

… the breezes of Christ are still blowing; His light is still shining; His melody is still resounding; … and it is the same with those souls who are under His protection and are shining with His light.
(Some Answered Questions, 152)

And Shoghi Effendi:
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The indwelling Spirit of God which, in the Apostolic Age of the Church, animated its members, the pristine purity of its teachings, the primitive brilliancy of its light, will, no doubt, be reborn and revived as the inevitable consequences of this redefinition of its fundamental verities, and the clarification of its original purpose. For the Faith of Baha’u'llah — if we would faithfully appraise it — can never, and in no aspect of its teachings, be at variance, much less conflict, with the purpose animating, or the authority invested in, the Faith of Jesus Christ.
([The World Order of Baha’u'llah, 18](http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/se/WOB/wob-49.html#pg185)5)
 
Originally Posted by vivs3
… if I don’t ever accept that Bahaullah was really the second coming of Christ, then am I, some way, going against God? Will that make me a bad person, and I’ll never be given the gift of eternal salvation?

If it is from God for mankind, and you reject it knowingly, what do you think?

**The Sun of Truth shineth resplendently, at the bidding of the Lord of the kingdom of utterance, and the King of the heaven of knowledge, above the horizon of the prison-city of ‘Akká. Repudiation hath not veiled it, and ten thousand hosts arrayed against it were powerless to withhold it from shining. Thou canst excuse thyself no longer. Either thou must recognize it, or – God forbid – arise and deny all the Prophets! **(Bahá’u’lláh, Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, p. 119)
 
Dear Brothers,

Here is something that I found on talk.religion.bahai (Usenet) about SenMcglinn. This is the analysis of an ex-baha’i Wahid Azal (Nima Hazini).​

"Sen McGlinn doesn’t know any Persian so how does he know what Ali Reza
Maybodi actually said? And, while we’re at it, why is a New Zealand
resident of Holland and a non-Iranian posting to Iranian.Com,
especially one who it is claimed has been disenfranchised by the
Baha’i establishment? Very, very fishy!

Obviously my open letter has hit its mark and the Baha’i Internet
Agency is working overtime for its various agents. McGlinn, when this
is all over I will relish my public undressing and humiliation of you,
given the fact that you are a paid agent and collaborationist with a
Fascist system and that your whole so-called disenrollment was nothing
but a charade and smokescreen. Count on it!".​

I know this is out of context here. But it has something to do with dear brother Sen Mcglinn. He is not a Baha’i officially but is very active preacher of the Baha’i faith. Why are u not an enrolled Baha’i Sen ? Can you reply please?

And i would like to request dear readers to kindly visit
talk.religion.bahai (you can type this in the google search box and come here).

This is a very important Newsgroup, as there are many active and ex-baha’is involved in discussing so many crucial issues related to the baha’i faith.

Today’s Link :
bahaiadmin.blogspot.com/

Thank you,
God bless you all.
 
Badi1919: Are you an enrolled Baha’i? What is your religion?
What is your purpose following Baha’is around if you are not one?
If you are one, What community are you in?
How long have you been enrolled? Where do you live now?
Do you attend Ruhí study classes? Have you ever been on a teaching trip?
Pilgrimage? A Baha’i summer school? Ever enrolled someone else?
Are you willing to die for the cause of God like Mírza Badí Khurasaní?
He had his head bashed in for being a messenger and would not divulge a single name
of another Baha’i. What a glorious hero he was.
Why are you named Badí?
What is with 1919? Is that to attract the attention of Baha’is who revere that number?
Did you know that everything except Baha’u’llah’s New World Order will be swept away?

When the victory arriveth, every man shall profess himself as believer and shall hasten to the shelter of God’s Faith. Happy are they who in the days of world-encompassing trials have stood fast in the Cause and refused to swerve from its truth.(Gleanings from the Writings of Baha’u’llah, p. 319)
 
I’ve always liked the Bahai faith. Of all the Abrahamic religions, it is the most palatable. A good religion and it makes sense. It takes faith, obviously, but the life of Baha’u’llah was very remarkable.
 
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