The Basic Philosophy Series 101 -1: What is philosophy and how is it done?

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Systematic Philosophy is first and foremost the recognition that there is such a thing as “truth” as understood through distinction. For example a cow is not a horse, or a man is not a mouse, or a square is not a triangle. We are aware that a nature is what it is and not something else at the same time. Thus we come to an important principle of rational thought and reality; that one distinct nature cannot be at the same time something other than its distinction. Distinction is the root of logic.

Other principles arise from this understanding; principles of causality. For example, only a triangle can be a triangle and only a square can be a square. A square cannot express the nature of a triangle, and a square cannot express the nature of a square. Only a thing can express the nature of a thing. If a thing is not nothing, then things do not have the nature of nothing, and nothing does not have the nature of things. It therefore follows that things can only arise from the nature of other things and not the nature of nothing because nothing can only express nothing; nothing can only ever be the absence of something.

The power of these truths are as such that if you deny them, then all possibility of truth is also denied, because all truth begins with the identification of rational distinctions. For that reason it is the most certain form of knowledge in existence; it is the first knowledge. A truly systematic philosophy builds its self upon principles which cannot be denied rationally. It then asks what can we know about reality according to these rational principles.

In the past philosophy included the study of physics. Men soon found out that rationalization without experiment was not suitable because while men had a general knowledge of physical nature it came to light that some natures are as such that their particularities are not easily identified by rational thought alone. For example, with out knowledge of gravity, it may seem common sense that if the world is round then people will fall off, and therefore we ought to say that the world is flat. The reason they were mistaken is because you cannot gain reliable knowledge of scientific objects purely by rational thought alone. We had no knowledge of gravity and therefore we could not include it in our conclusions. While it is true that through systematic philosophy we can have certain knowledge of the fact that existence cannot come from nothing, we cannot however guarantee reliable and certain knowledge about what particular things exist and what natures they have; except in a very generalized sense. The more particular and contingent the objects under inquiry are the less certain that a purely philosophical argument is going to be correct. Therefore the study of physics became its own specialized field of inquiry.

It was no-longer suitable to include the study of physics in the context of a systematic philosophy free of the limitations of experiment. This is not to say however that science is not a philosophy. Science itself functions on the rational foundation of metaphysical principles. Its a fundamental part of scientific inquiry to philosophize about nature; otherwise it would not be possible to form hypothesis. However, a hypothesis has to be justified by experiment in order to be accepted as a valid theory of physics because of the epistemological limitations i explained above. Science is distinct from ordinary philosophy in this one vital respect.

The philosophy of today concerns itself with questions of meaning, ethics, politics, and metaphysics.
 
Now jd, if all you’re going to do is keep making the same point over and over, we’re not going to get very far, are we?😉
Acap:

Right back at ya! See these sites:

youtube.com/watch?v=BDPF-uPEtWM&NR=1&feature=fvwp

scientology.org/?source=google&gclid=CLjnt5SrlKwCFRFU7Aodqx9-rg
So let’s take it up a notch. If you think that philosophy is all about POVs, then get some sources to back yourself up, lay 'em out, and we can have a chat about them. I’ve given you a source, now it’s in your court.
See above. 😉
Your argument does not follow. There might be thousands of different opinions about what 2+2 equals, but there’s not going to be thousands of right answers.
Unfortunately, if you ask the thousand people who hold those distinct beliefs, they will assure you that only their answer is the correct one, the one that most closely corresponds with Truth.
There would be no point in debating with a Buddhist or anyone else for that matter if there was not something called objective truth which we could debate about.
You have undoubtedly not debated with Buddhists. I am not disparaging Buddhism or Buddhists, just making a point. We are Martians and they are Earthlings, or vice-versa.
There are, presently, conflicting pov’s about the basic fabric of matter, but this does not mean that quantum physics is about opinions or povs;
😉 Are you sure you want to say this?
or the fact that there are numerous religious ideas out there does not mean that Revelation is about opinions, surely? :eek:
Acap:

I’d love to be able to place the works of the most astute philosopher that ever lived in front of an intelligent person and have that person acquiesce to its Truth. I believe that St. Thomas is just that philosopher/theologian. But, you see how St. Thomas’ philosophy is disparaged and ridiculed every day. True, most people aren’t clear thinkers and so, do not understand him, for the most part. But, that will not stop them from insisting that he was sooo wrong. 🤷

Revelation is not philosophy. Revelation is historical theology.

God bless,my friend
jd
 
Food for thought:

“The history of philosophy is certainly not a mere congeries of opinions.” Frederick Copleston, History of Philosophy, vol 1., page 4

“The whole process [of philosophy], however, is not a matter of opinions but of a steady march toward truth.” Quentin Lauer, hegel’s Idea of Philosophy, page 39

“Philosophy is not a ‘point of view’ but a ‘mode of thinking.’” Karl Jaspers, The Great Philosophers.

“Philosophy is not a point of view alongside others, for it so related to the transcending power of the mind that it situates itself not in some limited perspective.” Anna-Teresa Tymieniecka, New queries in aesthetics and metaphysics, page 13. (Tymieniecka, by the way, is an expert in and student of the philosophy of Pope John Paul II, and translator of his work, the Acting Person).
Acap:

Nor have I said that it was!

And, of course, all of the Great Philosophers are in complete congruence. :eek:

That said, the Great Philosophers were mode thinkers. “Mode thinking” is imperfectly clear, imperfectly systematic, imperfectly asymmetrical, imperfectly affined with Truth, thinking. It is an attempt at it, but shall always remain imperfect: thus, hundreds, perhaps thousands, of disparate philosophies. That is as plain as day.

P.S. I still own most, if not all, of Fr. Copleston’s incredible History of Philosophy. I got to see him, in person, and sat in on one of his lectures.

God bless,
jd
 
I’d love to be able to place the works of the most astute philosopher that ever lived in front of an intelligent person and have that person acquiesce to its Truth. I believe that St. Thomas is just that philosopher/theologian. But, you see how St. Thomas’ philosophy is disparaged and ridiculed every day. True, most people aren’t clear thinkers and so, do not understand him, for the most part. But, that will not stop them from insisting that he was sooo wrong. 🤷

God bless,my friend
jd
I recall reading a book once on St. Thomas. St. Thomas Aquinas: The Dumb Ok, by Chesterton. There is something inspiring about a man who managed to rise to great heights of thought and insight in a time period where, normally, we think that sort of thing would be preposterous. That said, I think we should maintain a clear head. No “philosopher,” no “thinker” has complete and utter access to the Truth. To think so is to commit an error far worse than hagiography, in my mind.

Not saying you are doing that, but, that’s the thing with our mental tendencies. We don’t know that we are being prejudicial until confronted with the fact.
 
I recall reading a book once on St. Thomas. St. Thomas Aquinas: The Dumb Ok, by Chesterton. There is something inspiring about a man who managed to rise to great heights of thought and insight in a time period where, normally, we think that sort of thing would be preposterous. That said, I think we should maintain a clear head. No “philosopher,” no “thinker” has complete and utter access to the Truth. To think so is to commit an error far worse than hagiography, in my mind.

Not saying you are doing that, but, that’s the thing with our mental tendencies. We don’t know that we are being prejudicial until confronted with the fact.
Kismetji:

Yes, he was known as the “Dumb Ox.” But he persevered. Turned out to be one of the few clearest thinkers the world has seen.

God bless,
jd
 
Food for thought:

“The history of philosophy is certainly not a mere congeries of opinions.” Frederick Copleston, History of Philosophy, vol 1., page 4

“The whole process [of philosophy], however, is not a matter of opinions but of a steady march toward truth.” Quentin Lauer, hegel’s Idea of Philosophy, page 39

“Philosophy is not a ‘point of view’ but a ‘mode of thinking.’” Karl Jaspers, The Great Philosophers.

“Philosophy is not a point of view alongside others, for it so related to the transcending power of the mind that it situates itself not in some limited perspective.” Anna-Teresa Tymieniecka, New queries in aesthetics and metaphysics, page 13. (Tymieniecka, by the way, is an expert in and student of the philosophy of Pope John Paul II, and translator of his work, the Acting Person).
Your argument seems to beg the question as it assumes the position that philosophy isn’t a POV or opinions [exemplified by the above citations] isn’t itself a POV or opinon.
 
Your argument seems to beg the question as it assumes the position that philosophy isn’t a POV or opinions [exemplified by the above citations] isn’t itself a POV or opinon.
Philosophy isn’t about not making any assumptions, it’s about not making false assumptions.*** Some assumptions are unavoidably true: for example, is your quote above true or is it merely an opinion? If it is merely opinion, stop offering it as true. If it is true, then you are led into a nasty infinite regress that never attains certainty–so you cannot know it to be true… so stop offering it as true.

*** Incidentally, this is why Kismetji is wrong when he says that ‘when you ask about philosophy and how it is done… you stop doing philosophy’ because you assume ‘the Myth of the Given’. Such a statement assumes that philosophy is merely not making any assumptions whatsoever, which, as I have argued, is false.
 
Philosophy isn’t about not making any assumptions, it’s about not making false assumptions.*** Some assumptions are unavoidably true: for example, is your quote above true or is it merely an opinion? If it is merely opinion, stop offering it as true. If it is true, then you are led into a nasty infinite regress that never attains certainty–so you cannot know it to be true… so stop offering it as true.

*** Incidentally, this is why Kismetji is wrong when he says that ‘when you ask about philosophy and how it is done… you stop doing philosophy’ because you assume ‘the Myth of the Given’. Such a statement assumes that philosophy is merely not making any assumptions whatsoever, which, as I have argued, is false.
Well said Shike!👍
 
Your argument seems to beg the question as it assumes the position that philosophy isn’t a POV or opinions [exemplified by the above citations] isn’t itself a POV or opinon.
My argument is not based on those quotes.

Thanx,
Pax
 
Hello everyone, 🙂

Just want to say a quick hello. I have not read the thread as I am rushing out the door but, I just want to let you all know that I have not had connection for the past days. I just got the internet and telephone back a couple of minutes ago. My state was hit hard by a snow storm. Many people do not have power which translates to some no heat, hot water, telephone services, etc… we are also having a problem with gasoline. The gas station lines are long and the stations keep running out of gas. It’s because people are buying gas for their generators. Pretty much everyone is behaving. There have been some stealing of generators, that is unfortunate. Two deaths, one due to carbon monoxide (the generator was not being ventilated) and another in a car accident/

I’ll be back soon and I will read the thread. I have to find out if the university is offering classes. 🤷 I sure hope not, I do not want to make my way up and down hills with down wires and trees…

What really caused the damage is that we still have a lot of leaves on the trees and the leaves carried a lot of the snow and the weight of the snow made the branches break which caused a lot of electrical wires to come down. Heard we are getting help from New Jersey and New York.

Blessings,

Abba
 
Philosophy isn’t about not making any assumptions, it’s about not making false assumptions.*** Some assumptions are unavoidably true: for example, is your quote above true or is it merely an opinion? If it is merely opinion, stop offering it as true. If it is true, then you are led into a nasty infinite regress that never attains certainty–so you cannot know it to be true… so stop offering it as true.
Hmm, I guess I’m not sure how this addresses my point, and ironically if philosophy isn’t about making any assumptions, then we shouldn’t assume the position that philosophy isn’t a POV or an opinion.
 
Do philosophers even agree that there is an objective Truth?
Whew…truth is hotly contested. Is it a substantive property or not? Deflationists say no. If it is, what is it? Is it a relationship of correspondence? There are 20+ theories on what that means. Is it a relationship of coherence? There are 20+ theories on what that means. Or is it just undefinable? etc. Yet, we all seem to get along fine with the colloquial sense 😛 e.g., we’re accustomed to true/false questions on tests and quizzes, sworn to tell the truth in court, and even the X-Files says ‘The Truth is Out There’ lol.
 
Yeeehh, the university still does not have power - all classes are cancelled. 🙂 I’m going to ship my internet sales, prepare food my children and then I am going to indulge with this thread…🙂 Will be back soon.
 
JDaniel;8523369:
scientology.org/?source=google&gclid=CLjnt5SrlKwCFRFU7Aodqx9-rg

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Ok jd.

Acap:

Please do not be angry with me. I grabbed two samples of philosophical POV’s to ponder. Interestingly, each one contains what the holders call “workability.” If asked how they know their POV’s are correct, you will get the answer, because it works. And, of course, here we have the makings of another conundrum!

Neither one of them incorporate our God or our cosmology into their systems. Yet each one of them has its good points. Ultimately, philosophy is an ordered set of provable POV’s that comports well with the conclusions of sound logic and correspondent truth. If theirs arrives at so-called truths that are antithetical to our beliefs, then we will have no part of it, unless we can be swayed.

Neither of the examples I supplied incorporate the Judeo-Christian God into their processes. My immediate reaction to each is that they are purely hypothetical. Our beliefs do not derive from philosophy - except in part.

God bless,
jd
 
Hmm, I guess I’m not sure how this addresses my point, and ironically if philosophy isn’t about making any assumptions, then we shouldn’t assume the position that philosophy isn’t a POV or an opinion.
Perplexity:

Very cleaver!

God bless,
jd
 
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