The best I can gather, based on all ambigious information, regarding mortal sin

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Since every bit of information out the is very vague and ambigious, here’s what I’ve figured out.

From what I can gather, mortal sin requires the following 3 things.

1.The action or behavior itself must be a grave matter.
2.There must be full knowledge that the act is indeed sinful.
3.There must be full consent of the will in engaging in the act or behavior.

Trying to decipher what this means and to get though the legalistic aspects of it can be quite difficult. To the best of what I can determine, as that nobody has been able to clearly articulate this to me, these are some guidelines.

A GRAVE MATTER

A grave matter must be something deeply wrong or dysfunctional to what we believe to be God’s will. Some are clear cut, like murder, rape and incest. Some are not so clear and more ambiguous. If the matter is ambiguous in nature, it limits the chances that it can be a mortal sin. Despite the slightly confusing nature of this condition, it is probably the most easy to understand of the three involved in mortal sin.

FULL KNOWLEDGE

Full knowledge implies that one must know that the act or behavior one is engaging in is sinful. This is very tricky because again few things are clear cut. There is not really any word for word guide on what is and what isn’t a sin. And, many times pastors each have their own take on a particular issue as to whether or not it is a grave matter, a venial sin or no sin at all. For example, quite a few of these issues deal with the area of sexuality. As I see it, one can only have full knowledge if there is virtually unanimous consensus within a faith and a society that something is wrong. A good example would be child abuse or domestic violence.

FULL CONSENT

This third criterion is very hard to balance and determine. And, it tends mean something different with every person you may ask. It seems that full consent would be given just by engaging in the act or behavior but this is not the case. For example, consent can be nullified by such things as psychological or mental conditions, age, hormonal and biological conditions, and several other factors. Some might say it also alludes to the idea that you must be engaging in the act for the intent of something evil or with the purpose of harming another either physically, spiritually or emotionally.

BOTTOM LINE:

Mortal sins are very bad. However, it’s not as easy to commit a mortal sin as one might think.

Let’s take some real world examples:

A prisoner kills another man in jail for taking his shower time. Was the matter grave – yes. Did he have full knowledge of what he was doing as wrong – yes. Did he intend to do evil and give full consent – yes. So, it is a mortal sin.

A young girl finds herself pregnant. Her parents threaten to kick her out of her home if she doesn’t abort the child. She agonizes over her decision but having nowhere else to go decides to go through the procedure. Was it a grave matter – yes. Did she have full knowledge – possibly and possibly not. Did she give full consent – No. So, although not the best thing (I’m 100% Pro-Life by the way), it would not be a mortal sin.

A young man finds himself in the hormone intense stages of puberty. He is getting erections quite frequently and is learning about the sexual instincts of human nature. He engages in masturbation. Was this a grave matter – it depends on whom you ask. Did he have full knowledge – based on the first criterion, it’s hard to say that he could. Did he give full consent of the will – probably not. So, unless we add a lot of other conditions into play, it would not be a mortal sin.

In fact, it could be argued that the second scenario may not be a sin at all and the third is likely not one.

A decent rule of thumb might be this, if you are unsure of whether or not you committed a mortal sin, you almost couldn’t have. Mortal sins leave no room for uncertainty and must be deliberate.
 
Yes, it’s funny because I have taught some adult religious education and I sometimes have a person asking me for the “list” of mortal sins. Wouldn’t that be easy! Your post spells out different scenarios and with conclusions that would most likely fit. I also agree that one would pretty much know if s/he committed a mortal sin and doubt may relinquish the full consent.

The Sacrament of Reconciliation is so incredible for those of us who have trouble discerning what and what is not mortal sin. I tend to be scrupulous and go to confession with all of these “mortal” sins that my confessor helps me to see were not. Mortal sin does definitely exist and it can be very prevalent but I do think that we need to realize that God’s mercy outweighs any sin and if we frequent the sacrament of Reconciliation and the Eucharist we can overcome any sense of being out of the state of grace.

I’ve been to confession whereby one priest will consider my sin a mortal sin and then if I repeat that sin and go to a different confessor he may feel that it is not. I don’t take that as a license to go out and repeat the sin but I will ease up on placing damnation upon myself. So, for all of this ambiguity I think that if we struggle with a particular sin that we might consider mortal then stick with one confessor and follow his directions. Live a life of prayer and peace and let God take care of the rest. God would do anything to find that we are not in the state of mortal sin and not the other way around. God loves us and wants us. That is why He created us… teachccd
 
Since every bit of information out the is very vague and ambigious, here’s what I’ve figured out.

From what I can gather, mortal sin requires the following 3 things.

1.The action or behavior itself must be a grave matter.
2.There must be full knowledge that the act is indeed sinful.
3.There must be full consent of the will in engaging in the act or behavior.

Trying to decipher what this means and to get though the legalistic aspects of it can be quite difficult. To the best of what I can determine, as that nobody has been able to clearly articulate this to me, these are some guidelines.

A decent rule of thumb might be this, if you are unsure of whether or not you committed a mortal sin, you almost couldn’t have. Mortal sins leave no room for uncertainty and must be deliberate.
Pghguy,

May God’s grace be with you.

Having gone through all the things you seem to have gone through, I can’t help but offer this advice strongly enough. Please find a Priest you trust, and talk to him as often as you can. It appears you are a very intelligent person, who is struggling with OCD, and as a result, you’re thinking of God in legalistic judgemental sense (I’ve done this too). As others have mentioned, God meets us where we are and desires us to move closer to him. Because people are at different stages of their faith, not everything is black and white, and a good Priest will be able to help you at your stage and where you are.

This website is full of many blessings, but also full of many opinions. These opinions (and most are opinions) aren’t tailored to any individual, and may help one person but hurt another. That is why I would strongly recommend finding a Priest you trust, and avoiding this site. I suspect you use this site the way people with OCD use medical sites, hoping to find comfort, but often thinking they found a new disease that is “killing” them. I would highly recommend spending time in prayer (asking for wisdom and the spirit). Just as there are opinions that are held by 90% of Priests and Bishops and the Pope, that liberals in the Church disagree with, there are also those that conservatives disagree with. You will never get consensus on certain “mortal sins” and that’s why it’s best to leave it to a confessor you trust. Unless they tell you something egregous, they are responsible for binding and loosing on you, and you can feel comfortable with absolution.

In addition, in order to truly see God as Love, and fully understand our relationship with him, I can’t recommend listening to the weekly sermons of wordonfire.org, Father Robert Barron’s website. He does not water down the message at all, however he has a great gift for taking the readings, and getting the message to us. When I’m overly anxious, I can consume these and it shows me great light.

With prayers,
 
I mostly agree with the OP. And if he is indeed struggling with scrupulocity, I absolutely agreee with the suggestion to seek a spiritual director (as well as the word on fire homilies).
On the other hand, we have to be careful not to make too many excuses. It is true that many factors can mitigate culpability from mortal to venial, but remember: we’re not called to venial sins, we’re called to perfection.

If you’re not struggling with scruples, I advise you to draw a pretty hard line with regard to objectively grave sins. Assume the worst, and get to confession. Even if the sin was only venial for whatever reason, the graces of the sacrament will help you overcome the sin.
 

TO: pghguy

From JAW642 on 09/09/2010

Pghguy,

You wrote a really good Post. And I mostly agree with your thoughts and analysis.

On Scenario #1: Pretty cut and dry and pretty much a mortal sin.

On Scenario #2: I am not sure if God would let this girl off the hook for having an abortion. She is fully conscious and aware of the decision. It becomes a balancing act between have an abortion to please her parents, and NOT having abortion to please God. The fact that doing what she knows is right, is not convenient for her, I don’t think is enough to make her decision not sinful. I believe that God would want her to save her child. With all the help available for young pregnant girls today, it would be really difficult to justify her having an abortion.

On Scenario #3: The young man maybe does not have FULL knowledge. And he may not have FULL consent, especially if wakes up during the night, or he’s trying to fall asleep at night, and does not have FULL consciousness and FULL control or consent over what his hand is doing with his penis. Also his masturbation may not be mortal sin, simply because it is a long, enduring and compulsive habit, which The Catholic Church says, eliminates or reduces his culpability, and therefore he would not be guilty of committing a mortal sin.

So, I do agree with you that it’s not as easy to commit a mortal sin as one might think. Especially in the case of single males masturbating and ejaculating, due to lack of full and definitive consensus of knowledge and belief, their age, fluctuating hormone levels, (especially for teen males ), maybe being only half awake and getting caught up in a passionate ‘heat of the moment’ while ejaculating, and possibly conditions like OCD, etc.

Pretty much, to commit a mortal sin, one must be positively SURE and positively BELIEVE that what he is doing is mortally wrong, and he must positively KNOW that he is committing a mortal sin. And then basically say, I positively KNOW this act is a mortal sin, but I don’t care, so I am going to do it anyway. If he believes that what he is doing is NOT mortally sinful, or if he is not SURE whether or not it is mortally sinful, then NO mortal sin can be committed.

Pghguy writes:

A decent rule of thumb might be this, if you are unsure of whether or not you committed a mortal sin, you almost couldn’t have. Mortal sins leave no room for uncertainty and must be deliberate.

The Catholic Church is even more definite than you are:
The Catholic Church says that if you are unsure of whether or not you have committed a mortal sin, YOU DEFINITELY HAVE NOT COMMITTED A MORTAL SIN. Mortal sins leave no room for uncertainty and must be deliberate. The Catholic Church defines such uncertain acts as ‘Doubtful Sins’, and the Church does not require them to be confessed, since they are not Mortal Sins.

Many single men today believe that masturbation is not sinful at all. They believe that it is a natural, normal and necessary function of the human body for single males, ( and under certain conditions for married males also ). They believe it is not against the Natural Law, and is not a Disordered behavior.

Other men believe that masturbation is not sinful if it is done in moderation, and mainly done to alleviate the unfulfilled sexual drives and sexual physical needs of a person. Only when masturbation is done excessively, above and beyond the physical needs of the person, does the act BECOME sinful.

Still, there are other men who believe that any and all acts of masturbation, are mortally sinful, and therefore one single act of masturbation, compels God to banish the person to Hell for the rest of Eternity.

The Catholic Church teaches and wants all of us to believe, that God will put into Hell for all of Eternity, 13 and 14 year old boys, who simply grabs their penis, get it erect, and stroke it for 10 or 15 minutes, as they try to fall asleep at night. The boys do not even have to Ejaculate, to merit Eternal damnation in Hell. They simply have to play with their penis. I do not believe that God would do this to any male. And I cannot understand how any intelligent person can believe what the Catholic Church teaches and wants us all to believe.

If masturbation is truly against the Natural Law, which is written in the hearts of every human being, and if it is truly a Disordered behavior, then how can we explain the fact that every normal male who has ever lived on this planet, ( including priests, Bishops, and the Members of the Magisterium of the Church ), has this extremely strong urge, need and desire to masturbate?

To put it another way, if masturbation were NOT part of the Natural Law, one would expect that human beings NATURALLY would NEVER have any desire to masturbate. How could we have the desire to masturbate, if it were not a NATURAL desire? How can masturbating be UN-natural, when every human being, ( at least every male human being ), normally possesses the urge to do it, to one extent or another?

Does God actually expect and require all males to live out our entire lives without ever needing and wanting to masturbate? Has there ever been a normal male, Who was NOT born of a Virgin ], who ever lived his entire life without masturbating? Is God just playing tricks on all of us? Or is it just the Catholic Church who is playing tricks on all of us?

For a person who is plagued with and suffers from a scrupulous nature:

A - Either try to stop being so scrupulous, and try to start believing in God as a Good and Loving, Merciful God, Who is not out to take away from us every pleasure in life. OR

B - The scrupulous person should start confessing all of these ‘Doubtful Sins’, not because he is Required to do so, but simply for his own peace of mind, and to stop any unnecessary and needless anxiety.

From JAW642 on 09/09/2010

 
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