The best things about the reforms of Vatican II

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What is the best thing about the contemporary Church since the council in your opinion. Don’t kill each other over this. I’m just curious.

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The best thing about the reforms, IMHO, was the encouragement for the laity. The documents of VII empowered laity to get involved with things such as Bible study and evangelizing. These existed before but were more muted. Now they are part of the expected role of Catholic laity.
 
In my opinion, the best thing Vat. II did was to
translate the liturgy of the mass into the vernacular
from Latin!
 
I don’t think this was decided AT the Council, but rather as a direct result of the Council…

The three year cycle of readings for Sunday Mass, and the readings in the vernacular. Very forward-thinking changes, in my opinion. I personally wouldn’t have changed anything else about the Mass; but I love that change. The Word needs to be heard and understood by the faithful. Since so few Catholics read the Bible; Holy Mass might be the only Scripture they get all week.

Not a bad thread, and I give you props for originality. 👍
 
rfournier103 said:
I don’t think this was decided AT the Council, but rather as a direct result of the Council…

The three year cycle of readings for Sunday Mass, and the readings in the vernacular. Very forward-thinking changes, in my opinion. I personally wouldn’t have changed anything else about the Mass; but I love that change. The Word needs to be heard and understood by the faithful. Since so few Catholics read the Bible; Holy Mass might be the only Scripture they get all week.

Not a bad thread, and I give you props for originality. 👍
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The readings were already in the vernacular in almost all jurisdictions well before VII. The norm was to read them in Latin first and then repeat them in the vernacular. However, the three-year cycle was a major change as was the addition of a second reading before the Gospel.
GLam8833 said:
In my opinion, the best thing Vat. II did was to
translate the liturgy of the mass into the vernacular
from Latin!
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To be precise, the Mass had already been translated into dozens of languages before Vatical II. I personally own Missals with French and English translations that pre-date the council by at least a decade. The change was that the translations could get the official endorsement of the Vatican and could be used, under some conditions, by both the celebrant and the congregation during Mass.
 
Although the liturgical changes that followed Vatican II were supposedly made to attract Protestants, I am one Protestant who greatly prefers the older rite.

The main result of Vatican II that I do appreciate is the increased recognition that we non-Catholic Christians can be fellow-pilgrims on a common journey, and not simply heretics to be converted.
 
I don’t think this will probably be acceptable to discuss on here since there are many traditionalists (or just regular old Catholics before 1960’s) who would differ with nearly all of the “reforms” of Vatican 2. So, I don’t think its a good idea to discuss this and I will leave my opinions to myself 😃

Pax.
 
The clarification on religious liberty in Dignitatis Humanem. A controversial one, but when you think about what it REALLY says, it makes sense. It allows for freedom from coercion; it doesn’t legitimize relativism. All it says is that we cannot do to non-Catholics what Diocletian and Henry VIII did to Catholics. If we did that, the only thing separating us from ISIS would be theological semantics.
 
landon13 said:
I don’t think this will probably be acceptable to discuss on here since there are many traditionalists (or just regular old Catholics before 1960’s) who would differ with nearly all of the “reforms” of Vatican 2. So, I don’t think its a good idea to discuss this and I will leave my opinions to myself 😃

Pax.
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I agree.
 
landon13 said:
I don’t think this will probably be acceptable to discuss on here since there are many traditionalists (or just regular old Catholics before 1960’s) who would differ with nearly all of the “reforms” of Vatican 2. So, I don’t think its a good idea to discuss this and I will leave my opinions to myself 😃

Pax.
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Too bad. Traditionalists dish criticism all day long, they should be able to take criticism. If they can’t do that, they’re just being brittle.
 
I think we are allowed to discuss Vatican II. According to what I found in the stickies, we aren’t allowed to go off on rants about pre or post Vatican II Mass forms but we can discuss civilly.

Perhaps if the OP would try to frame the question to discuss Vatican II reforms **other than **the liturgy we can keep the discussion going.
 
I don’t think we have seen all the positive fruits of V2 yet. It takes a while for such changes to percolate.

I think we’ve inadvertently lost some good things due to what Pope Emeritus Benedict calls the “spirit of Vatican II,” but in the long run it will be seen to be be positive and necessary.
 
JackVk said:
Too bad. Traditionalists dish criticism all day long, they should be able to take criticism. If they can’t do that, they’re just being brittle.
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Vatican II shouldn’t be the main weapon, though. It is a highly complex set of documents which can’t really be limited to one or two things or covered in one forum, much less one thread. I say rephrase the title if anything. It’s very baiting the way it’s presented. We’ve had them before and they usually don’t end well.
 
I prefer the “old” rite better myself. I needed help with some questions for my religion class. The responses gave me some good ideas so thank y’all again. I know there are some who get firery about this subject so yall have answered my question and don’t have to discuss this if you don’t want to
 
Bayoubeefmaster said:
I prefer the “old” rite better myself. I needed help with some questions for my religion class. The responses gave me some good ideas so thank y’all again. I know there are some who get firery about this subject so yall have answered my question and don’t have to discuss this if you don’t want to
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I think asking for help with your homework is more problematic than any VII debate. 😃 You should have led with that.
 
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