The Bible and The Eucharist

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Should we as catholics render the same ‘worship/veneration’ to scripture in the same way we do with the eucharist since the Scripture is God’s Word and The Word of God is Christ. Another Question: Is Christ also sacramentally present in scripture?
 
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Should we as catholics render the same ‘worship/veneration’ to scripture in the same way we do with the eucharist since the Scripture is God’s Word and The Word of God is Christ. Another Question: Is Christ also sacramentally present in scripture?
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No on both counts.
 
The liturgists have the Scripture carried into the Church held above shoulder level for the veneration of the congregation. This is part of the processional. Further, the priest carries the book, again elevated, from its place of repose to the lecturn from which it is read. Again the intent is the veneration of the Word as present in Scripture. There is also at solemn occasions the repeated censing of the scriptures before the readings.
Whereas the presence of God in scripture is not sacramental, the scriptures are a sacramental, an occasion of grace for the faithful. And yes, it is certainly correct to venerate the scriptures.

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please read ccc.#141.The Church has always venerated the divine Scriptures as she venerated the Body of the Lord.Read also ccc.#131,132,133,135and 123.Yes the Lord is "present in Holy Scripture.
 
Yes, the Lord is present in holy Scripture, but not sacramentally. We do not genuflect to the Bible, and we do not go to pains to ensure the Bible is housed in a tabernacle. We reverence Scripture befitting the presence of the Lord there, but the Eucharist is real Presence par excellence. The Catechism also calls the Eucharistic Presence “unique” (1374). We have to defend the Eucharist with our lives. We have no such obligation for a copy of the Bible. Desecrating the Eucharist is an excommunicable offense. Destroying a Bible is not.

So the mode of the real Presence is much much more than the presence of Christ in Scripture.
 
The Christ of scripture is the Logos, or the understanding of the world. Scripture is a means of knowing the truth as Christ is the Truth. Scripture can be seen as a letter written by Christ to us to help guide us in our pursuit of truth and and lead us on to salvation as a GPS does as it gives information intermittently as we travel. Since He is both Truth and Logos, we can recognize him through reason. Scripture is sacramental in the sense that scripture points to Christ, but not a sacrament. Scripture is not hidden under the forms of bread and wine and does not bring the Glorified Body of Christ into our souls.
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I asked because an evangelical friend of mine is equating John 1:1 with Scripture in 2 Tim 3:16 therefore if both are one and the same then Scripture would be the final authority the regula fidei since Scripture is the Word of God and the Word of God is Christ. Any comments from Catholics please?
 
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I asked because an evangelical friend of mine is equating John 1:1 with Scripture in 2 Tim 3:16 therefore if both are one and the same then Scripture would be the final authority the regula fidei since Scripture is the Word of God and the Word of God is Christ. Any comments from Catholics please?
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Throw back the question: How does he know what constitutes the Word of God?
 
Also ask him if Scripture is the complete word of God. We know that it is not as the end of John’s Gospel indicates:

25 But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.

Only Christ Himself is the Complete Word of God.
 
I dont mean this to sound harsh,but your friend is missing 7 books from the OT.Ask your friend what is the “Pillar and Foundation of Truth”?Then have them read 1Tim 3:15.I believe in Sacred Scipture,I do not trust my own interpretations.1Pe.1:19-21.May our Lord bless you.🙂
 
ElCid said:
I asked because an evangelical friend of mine is equating John 1:1 with Scripture in 2 Tim 3:16 therefore if both are one and the same then Scripture would be the final authority the regula fidei since Scripture is the Word of God and the Word of God is Christ. Any comments from Catholics please?
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Are you saying that your friend believes that Scripture is God? Or that Jesus Christ, who is True God and True Man, is also a book?

John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
 
juno24 said:
Are you saying that your friend believes that Scripture is God? Or that Jesus Christ, who is True God and True Man, is also a book?

John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
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A very good answer. But he would say “How come you consider the eucharist as God? If you can do that to the eucharist, why not render the same attitude towards the bible which is God’s word?”
 
ElCid said:
A very good answer. But he would say “How come you consider the eucharist as God? If you can do that to the eucharist, why not render the same attitude towards the bible which is God’s word?”
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Again, throw back the question. How does he even know that the Bible is God’s Word? Because the Bible says so? How does he know that those 66 books are what constitute God’s Word?
 
ElCid said:
Should we as catholics render the same ‘worship/veneration’ to scripture in the same way we do with the eucharist since the Scripture is God’s Word and The Word of God is Christ. Another Question: Is Christ also sacramentally present in scripture?
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Jesus referred to the scriptures as a ‘testimony’ of Himself. When speaking to Saul on the road to Damascus the resrrected Christ called the Church “Me”.

Many folks forget that the Word of God to the early Chritians was not something read but something heard. “Faith is through hearing”. To them it was expressed through certain members of the church who were invested with the authority to teach God’s Word. This never changed.

Why so many christian communities believe at some arbitrary moment in time this changed I don’t understand.

The primary expression of the Word of God on earth is not the bible and never was. The primary expression of the Word of God on earth is the Church and the authority of Sacred Scripture finds it’s source there as well.

A previous poster eluded to the source of authority that gives the bible it’s authority. Understanding authority as it has been passed on to humanity from Our Saviour is key in resolving the confusion about the bible.

Whoever believes the bible is Sacred Scripture is admitting to a belief on the authority of human testimony whether they admit it or not.
 
Scripture says that many paid homage and worshipped Jesus. No where does it say that anyone worshipped the scrolls. In Catholicism the Eucharist is Jesus Himself so we worship Him. While Jesus is also present in the Body of Believers we would not think of worshipping ourselves. There is a substantial change in the bread and wine whereby it actually becomes the Body and Blood of our Lord. As Thomas said, " My Lord and my God." So do we… God Bless…teachccd 🙂
 
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