The Bible condone slavery?

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I am bothered by this verse:

“You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance”. Leviticus 25:44-45

also it said the it was OK for a master to hit his slave as long as he doesn’t kill him in:

Exodus 21:20-21

Did I misunderstood something or it is actually ok to “own a canadian”?
 
No, it’s not okay to own a Canadian. 😃

The New Testament (or the works of Jesus) came to fulfill the Old Testament (the works of Abraham, Moses, David, etc).

The way I was always taught was that prior to Jesus’ coming the people were like children in need of rules so that they would know what was right and what was wrong. Like a parent tells a child the rules and then gives punishment when the rules aren’t followed. However, when Jesus came the people were now adults and were able to understand that the specific rules themselves no longer applied as they were to follow the overall rule of Jesus’ love for us. So the New Testament negates the rules of the Old Testament in their specificity but still keeps the overall theme of the Old Testament rules (don’t be immoral, be good, etc).
 
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No, it’s not okay to own a Canadian. 😃

The New Testament (or the works of Jesus) came to fulfill the Old Testament (the works of Abraham, Moses, David, etc).

The way I was always taught was that prior to Jesus’ coming the people were like children in need of rules so that they would know what was right and what was wrong. Like a parent tells a child the rules and then gives punishment when the rules aren’t followed. However, when Jesus came the people were now adults and were able to understand that the specific rules themselves no longer applied as they were to follow the overall rule of Jesus’ love for us. So the New Testament negates the rules of the Old Testament in their specificity but still keeps the overall theme of the Old Testament rules (don’t be immoral, be good, etc).
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But still, isn’t it messed up that the bible told people it is OK to own other human as property? you would have thought that the Bible would say no to such act.
 
When I was a tiny baby I would poop in my diaper and my parents didn’t rebuke me for it.
As soon as I was old enough, they potty-trained me, and after that I had a rule; when you need to go, go in a toilet.
At four years of age I couldn’t cross the street without a grownup.
At eight years, I was allowed to wander around the neighborhood unescorted.
It took about twenty years for my parents to turn the tiny baby into a responsible adult.
It took God about two thousand years to turn a bunch of barbarians into a people who could understand what Jesus was going to teach them.
He gave them rules to limit the evils of divorce because he knew they weren’t yet ready to give up divorce entirely: but when Jesus came He told them, what God has joined together let no man put asunder.
He gave them rules to limit the abuses of slavery because He knew they weren’t yet ready to give up slavery entirely. But when Jesus came, He taught them a new way: “Love one another as I have loved you.”
So no, the bible doesn’t condone slavery, and no, we’re not allowed to have slaves because people at the time of Moses had them.
 
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When I was a tiny baby I would poop in my diaper and my parents didn’t rebuke me for it.
As soon as I was old enough, they potty-trained me, and after that I had a rule; when you need to go, go in a toilet.
At four years of age I couldn’t cross the street without a grownup.
At eight years, I was allowed to wander around the neighborhood unescorted.
It took about twenty years for my parents to turn the tiny baby into a responsible adult.
It took God about two thousand years to turn a bunch of barbarians into a people who could understand what Jesus was going to teach them.
He gave them rules to limit the evils of divorce because he knew they weren’t yet ready to give up divorce entirely: but when Jesus came He told them, what God has joined together let no man put asunder.
He gave them rules to limit the abuses of slavery because He knew they weren’t yet ready to give up slavery entirely. But when Jesus came, He taught them a new way: “Love one another as I have loved you.”
So no, the bible doesn’t condone slavery, and no, we’re not allowed to have slaves because people at the time of Moses had them.
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so can we say the same thing about homosexuality then?
 
The Bible teaches all to respect their place in life. Master, servant, Father, son, husband, wife, king, subject.

Moses also suffered to allow wives to be put away, but only because the people chided him to do so. Jesus said that divorce is wrong. period.
 
hihiip201 said:
so can we say the same thing about homosexuality then?
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No. Teachings do not change from "This is a right thing’ to ‘this is a wrong thing’ or vice versa.

Even slavery (not chattel slavery) is not in and of itself a ‘wrong’ thing. In a sense, those of us working 9 to 5 are ‘slaves’ to our bosses (ask most of us if we have not felt pressured into staying longer hours without being paid, taking a lower salary, doing work NOT in our job description, etc. because otherwise we’d be fired). We are none of us truly ‘free’; we all are servants/slaves to some one or some thing. Of course, the true freedom would be in being a slave to God and doing His will instead of our (slave) will, freely.

Likewise, even if divorce for a LIMITED time was ‘available’ to the early Jews, Christ removed the ‘limited’ allowance.

He did NOT say that "homosexual actions are wrong for a limited time, but can become ‘right’ if gays are allowed to ‘marry’, or if people ‘advance’ enough to ‘realize’ that the actions aren’t wrong at all, etc.

Nor did He say that HETEROSEXUAL actions outside of marriage are only wrong if the adults don’t CONSENT, or if they don’t ‘hurt’ others.

So we aren’t picking on homosexuality. Sexual sin remains sexual sin.
 
The Bible does not offer truth based on “materialism” or on Descartes’ “domination of nature”. Slavery is one of obligation or of unnatural desires contrary to God for which we become “slaves to sin”, Titus 3:3.

Who today considers credit card debt “slavery” or obligation to do what you say you would do as the same “slavery” to actually do what was said? To fail in these is akin to lying if one can accomplish it and doesn’t, or worse, if one never intended to and only offered their word as a means to be on their way. How often do we say we will do something and not do it? These are the idle words that Jesus talks about being accounted for in the day of judgment, Matthew 12:36. The Bible is not a book of evils nor is God anything but our ultimate Good and Beatitude.
 
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so can we say the same thing about homosexuality then?
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Where in the Old Testament are the people of Isreal told they may engage in homosexual acts?
Or where in the Old Testament are they given rules for the governing of homosexual behavior?
What the Old Testament has to say on the subject is that it’s an abomination and those who do it must be killed.
Christianity says it’s wrong, but no longer says to kill or persecute those who practice it.

So, no, we cannot say “the same thing” about homosexuality.
 
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