The Bible is a Catholic Book - 2

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I think it all depends on what you consider “Catholic”. Since it is a book used by most Christians, it is universal, so it is Catholic. However, it is not reserved the the Catholic church, so it depends on how you define “Catholic”. I would look for it more as a Christian book.
 
116_Reformed said:
I think it all depends on what you consider “Catholic”. Since it is a book used by most Christians, it is universal, so it is Catholic. However, it is not reserved the the Catholic church, so it depends on how you define “Catholic”. I would look for it more as a Christian book.
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Then that would make it a catholic (small c) book.
 
Ceil-1 said:
G of G you make my point.

It is the Will of God that we all be united. This is indicated in Scripture when Jesus prayed for unity. This indicates that it is His Will.

The fact that you consider it propaganda to mention that the Church is responsible for Scripture indicates a complacency with this division.
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That is a half-truth at most - Christianity had no part whatever in compiling or canonising the OT. You’re making my point for me 😦 (as well as misunderstanding the post…)​

If any Church could say “I produced the Bible”, it would be laying claim to it, as though it could take the credit for it. That is the kind of Churchly egotism that mistakes man (the receiver), for God (the Giver).

If man produces it, he is the Lord of it, & can’t be corrected, rebuked, warned, instructed by it - all he can do, is see his own silly face in it, & take out of it what he has put into it. This is to silence it, because it becomes incapable of correcting his follies & idolatries - it becomes a means of His damnation, unless God casts him down & speaks His Will through it instead. A silenced Bible is worse than none at all.

If the Bible is what the CC claims to believe the Bible is, it cannot be the Church’s creation, but God’s. God frequently rebukes & plagues His People, & is angry with them, & threatens them with His judgements: see Rev. 2 & 3 - this would not be the case if it were His People’s creation.
It takes a lot of humility to suppress our wills and unite it to what we abhor. For some, it is the Church.

Yet, to go to heaven, we must unite our wills with His.

It seems so clear and simple, how is it people just don’t get it. :confused:
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Jimmy_B said:
The Bible is a Catholic Book…
Therefore, everything in the Bible, in one way or another supports Catholicism. Ignorance of Catholicism is ignorance of the Bible.

Your thoughts?
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My thoughts…why ask the same question again? You dont really want to know people’s opinions, do you? Just make the statement that YOU think it is a Catholic book, erroneous as such an opinion is.
 
The Bible is the word of God.

Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my** words**, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by **every word **that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by **every word **of God.

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
 
Jimmy_B said:
The Bible is a Catholic Book…
Therefore, everything in the Bible, in one way or another supports Catholicism. Ignorance of Catholicism is ignorance of the Bible.

Your thoughts?
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With all respect, you my friend are dillusional.
 
The correct answer is that the Bible is a Catholic book.

It is a teaching of the Church that the Old Testament Scriptures were transferred to her ownership by Christ himself in view of her position as the new ‘Israel of God’ and the heir of the Old Testament promises; and that the New Testament Scriptures being written within the Church by some of its members for the benefit of all (or more precisely, within the society of the Catholic Church by Catholics and for Catholics), are likewise her exclusive property, of which she is the absolute Owner, Guardian, Trustee and Interpreter.

The Church, being the divinely appointed trustee of the whole deposit of revelation, holds the Scriptures as her very own. They are part of the patrimony or dowry that she has received as the Bride of Christ. This truth was fully realized by Irenaeus and Tertullian, who both had to use their pens against the heretics of their time.

A phrase occurs in the dogmatic constitution Dei Filius of Vatican Council I which does not always receive sufficient attention: ‘The Church holds (the books of the Bible) as sacred and canonical, not because, after having been composed by human industry, they afterwards received the approval of her authority, nor again because they contain revelation without error, but because having been written under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost they have God for their author and as such have been handed to the Church herself.’

The Church is, then, by God’s donation, exclusive Owner and Trustee of the Scriptures. The Scriptures are a sacred trust in her hands. Because the Bible ranks among the most precious jewels of her patrimony, the Church is the Bible’s jealous guardian and defender. She exercises wise vigilence over the purity of its text and sees that it does not circulate among her children except they take it from her hands.
 
ralphinal said:
And was God powerless to prevent either action?

Again, are you Mormon? Saying that the Church fell into apostacy is a Mormon claim.

And you did not answer the questions.

How many Churches did Jesus intend to found? How many did they write for?
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I am a nonDenominational.

You can never understand Christ true church until you put aside the false claim the the Roman Church is the true church of God.
 
avenger said:
My thoughts…why ask the same question again? You dont really want to know people’s opinions, do you? Just make the statement that YOU think it is a Catholic book, erroneous as such an opinion is.
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Exactly
 
Hisalone said:
I am a nonDenominational.

You can never understand Christ ture church until you put aside the false claim the the Roman Churcdh is the true church of God.
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Alright. So give me vaild, verifiable reasons that you can say that it is a false claim. As I do posses something of an academic background, I would prefer sources that have citations that can be verified.
 
ralphinal said:
Alright. So give me vaild, verifiable reasons that you can say that it is a false claim. As I do posses something of an academic background, I would prefer sources that have citations that can be verified.
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Exactly
 
Singinbeauty said:
I voted no, the bible is God’s Word - not a catholic nor protestant book.
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I don’t know SB. (You guys be nice, she is one of my closest friends.)

In all my reading and study, I have come to the conclusion that it was indeed the early church, who are very Catholic in their writings, who did indeed canonize the scriptures as handed down from the apostles, which means it was actually the Catholic Church that set the canon by their own authority and after much prayerful discernment and discussion, and that is why I will not use a Bible that has less than 73 books. That’s what the ECF canonized and that’s what we should keep to, no matter what has been said or done in the last 500 years. 🙂
 
Hisalone said:
I am a nonDenominational.

You can never understand Christ true church until you put aside the false claim the the Roman Church is the true church of God.
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That has nothing whatever to do with this topic and is nothing more than oppositional rhetoric.

Open a new thread on that statement and be prepared to prove your statement with verifiable facts.
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Hisalone said:
It was never intended by Jesus that His followers would be abusive to His sheep nor fall into apastacy.
The Holy Spirit who breathed the bible into existance was intended for all.
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So the bible came to be by a breath in the air? It flew into this world on a breath? :rolleyes:
 
Thank you Jesus for choosing the Catholic church to compile your Holy Catholic Book. :signofcross:
 
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