The Bible

[Crusading_Canuk]

A few years ago an organization known as Giddeons International came to my school and gave us copies of the New Testament and Psalms. For those not familiar with this organization, they are Evangelical Protestants and their bible is the King James Version. What do I do with it? Also I would like to note that I do have a Catholic Bible; the Douay-Rheims version published by Baronius Press.

 

[Javl]

Do what the Jews do with old and useless religious items. Bury it! Or…if you get involved in a dialogue with Protestants or Mormons who use the KJ version, keep it for reference.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Crusading_Canuk]

It was my understanding that the Church previously burned protestant bibles. I was considering this however I am uncomfortable with burning any bible even a heretical translation.

 

[laszlo]

The KJV is word to word translation, not heretical. Actually is you compare it with the New American Bible (NAB the text of the Lectionary) the KJV is closer to that than the Duoay Rheims.

The Duoay Rheims is made from the Vulgata (Latin), the KJV from the so called Textus Receptus. Since the Divino Afflante encyclical of venerable Pius XII, the textual research, and usage of newer translations is allowed, the Vulgate is not considered the only source of Catholic Bibles.

Here is New American Bible from vatican.va site

vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/_INDEX.HTM

here is the Duoay Rheims and the Vulgate

drbo.org/

And here is the KJV with possible references to the Textus Receptus or the Masoretic text for the Hebrew

blueletterbible.org/

 

[Crusading_Canuk]

The KJV isn’t heretical? No offence but are you sure, the KJV was translated for use by the Church of England, even after the faulty translation some of the wording was twisted to support reformer propaganda. Even Protestant theologians admit to this and acknowledge the over 30,000 errors; the only accurate passages in the KJV are those taken directly from the Douay-Rheims translation which is the most accurate English translation available. The New American Bible is a modern translation which to my understanding was a de- protestantization attempt on the KJV so naturally there would be some similarities.

 

[DesertSister62]

***Since when is any Christian Bible “heretical?” * Catholics do NOT burn Bibles unless something is wrong with their minds! I have both the Catholic RSV and the KJV and they are almost identical to read. So where does the “heretical” part come in?

DesertSister62**

 

[Crusading_Canuk]

***Since when is any Christian Bible “heretical?” *** Catholics do NOT burn Bibles unless something is wrong with their minds! I have both the Catholic RSV and the KJV and they are almost identical to read. So where does the “heretical” part come in?

DesertSister62

You might as well say since when are any “Christians” heretical. Protestant translations were not preserved from error by the power of the Holy Ghost during translation. When (even a sincere and well intentioned) Christian reads from a bible filled with error ( the KJV alone has over 30,000) and then makes his/her own private interpretation on these corrupt texts they fall into heresy; heresy in turn leads to hell. Would you be willing to say that the Tyndall Bible, Jefferson Bible or Luther Bibles are orthodox or heterodox. I’m banking on heterodox. St Thomas More was known to burn the Tyndall Bible, was he out of his mind in doing so? I think not he did so to protect the English Faithfull from falling into heresy. The following article puts the case wonderfully catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/general/charge.htm.

Peace Be With You And God Bless

 

[DesertSister62]

Posted by DesertSister62:

*Since when is any Christian Bible “heretical?” Catholics do NOT burn Bibles unless something is wrong with their minds! I have both the Catholic RSV and the KJV and they are almost identical to read. So where does the “heretical” part come in? *

*Excuse me, Crusading Canuk, but what part of the RSV and the KJV being almost the same did you not understand? The Catholic RSV is one of the most respected of the translations. So, if it is so similar to read, are you saying that it is “heretical too?”

DesertSister62*

 

[MarkThompson]

A few years ago an organization known as Giddeons International came to my school and gave us copies of the New Testament and Psalms. For those not familiar with this organization, they are Evangelical Protestants ( heretics) and their bible is the King James Version which is also heretical. What do I do with it? Also I would like to note that I do have a Catholic Bible; the Douay-Rheims version published by Baronius Press.

If you are really just asking, how do I dispose of this book?, then the answer is that you can throw it away. It is not blessed, and it can be disposed of as you see fit. You don’t need to perform a rite of burning it and burying the ashes or something.

You can also keep it, of course; it’s not forbidden to own a KJV. I’m pretty sure there’s anything heretical about, for instance, the KJV Psalms.

 

[Thomas_Casey]

Please do not refer to the Reformation communities as “heretics”. It creates unnecessary conflicts. If you have questions as to why not, you can PM me or post the question on Ask An Apologist.

Thomas Casey
Moderator

 

[MarkThompson]

Please do not refer to the Reformation communities as “heretics”. It creates unnecessary conflicts. If you have questions as to why not, you can PM me or post the question on Ask An Apologist.

Thomas Casey
Moderator

FWIW, I apparently mistyped. The last sentence of my post should have read, “I’m pretty sure there’s not anything heretical about, for instance, the KJV Psalms.” So if you were referring to me, my apologies.

 

[Thomas_Casey]

FWIW, I apparently mistyped. The last sentence of my post should have read, “I’m pretty sure there’s not anything heretical about, for instance, the KJV Psalms.” So if you were referring to me, my apologies.

It was not your post. Thank you for your gracious response.

 

[sovegna_vos]

As an English Catholic I greatly enjoy reading the KJV and comparing it with the DR (and other Catholic bibles). I also love Coverdale’s translations of the Psalms used in the Book of Common prayer, which are often superior to the KJV in beauty of the language.

Whilst I am mindful that there are some important doctrinal differences in the KJV, and note them accordingly, I do not feel in anyway way that it is wrong regularly to read that translation of the Bible.

It does’nt undermine the orthodoxy of my faith to do so. Why would it? I’m a Catholic.

 

[Javl]

I have many different Protestant Bibles ( Catholic ones too, in case you’re wondering ) including the King James version. Although the message is the same, each is fairly different from the other in translation. With “sola scriptura” alone, this can, and usually does, lead to misinterpretations, misunderstandings, and heresy.

Although translation is also different in the different Catholic Bibles, we Catholics do not use “sola scriptura” but depend on the Church for interpretation and understanding. We know that the interpretation and understanding is true and accurate because its founder is Jesus Christ, who is true and accurate. He gave His power and authority to His Church ( the Catholic Church ) for interpretation and understanding of the Holy Scriptures.

PAX DOMINI :signof cross:

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Crusading_Canuk]

Relax people I’m not burning anything I just made a comment/post in the passing. Still though I’m sticking to my guns that Protestant translations are heretical and understand why the Church burned them during the Reformation.

 

[HAnne]

I have many different Protestant Bibles ( Catholic ones too, in case you’re wondering ) including the King James version. Although the message is the same, each is fairly different from the other in translation. With “sola scriptura” alone, this can, and usually does, lead to misinterpretations, misunderstandings, and heresy.

A “fun” exercise for those of you with multiple Bibles, Protestant and Catholic is to compare verses side by side. I have a gifted 7 year old son and we LOVE getting into what the different translations say and what they mean and then going BACK to original Greek and Hebrew texts to discern the origins of the words and where they “went wrong” in translation - particularly in some of the more modern, “watered down” Bibles.

 

[ProVobis]

St Thomas More was known to burn the Tyndall Bible, was he out of his mind in doing so? I think not he did so to protect the English Faithfull from falling into heresy.

St. Thomas More condemned any anglicization of the Bible amongst other things.

 

[ProVobis]

A “fun” exercise for those of you with multiple Bibles, Protestant and Catholic is to compare verses side by side. I have a gifted 7 year old son and we LOVE getting into what the different translations say and what they mean and then going BACK to original Greek and Hebrew texts to discern the origins of the words and where they “went wrong” in translation - particularly in some of the more modern, “watered down” Bibles.

Cool. I like these types of exercises myself. I just ran across this website (unfinished) which discusses the archaic form of KJV and where that English fails in terms of today’s understanding.

kjv-only.com/theethou.html

brandplucked.webs.com/theeandye.htm

 

[Javl]

A “fun” exercise for those of you with multiple Bibles, Protestant and Catholic is to compare verses side by side. I have a gifted 7 year old son and we LOVE getting into what the different translations say and what they mean and then going BACK to original Greek and Hebrew texts to discern the origins of the words and where they “went wrong” in translation - particularly in some of the more modern, “watered down” Bibles.

It is a good exercise and can answer many questions as well as create more. When doing so, keep in mind that the Greek was Koine Greek and not classical.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[ConstantineTG]

A “fun” exercise for those of you with multiple Bibles, Protestant and Catholic is to compare verses side by side. I have a gifted 7 year old son and we LOVE getting into what the different translations say and what they mean and then going BACK to original Greek and Hebrew texts to discern the origins of the words and where they “went wrong” in translation - particularly in some of the more modern, “watered down” Bibles.

Or you can go to bible.cc and compare text across different versions, verse by verse