Probably none that anyone else takes seriously. For Catholicism at least, holding to that would totally negate the idea of baptism of desire, so it’s a no go as far as you’re concerned.
Some atheists think that; don’t tar all us non-theists with that overly-wide brush of yours. As to the latter part… please don’t start that again.
You are right, my apologies. I was thinking of specific atheists (like the ones behind the webstie) when I made that statement and shouldn’t generalize that attitude towards all.
I agree that these people are somewhat protected by the law of “invinceable ignorance”, but my personal feeling is that the majority who outright despise religion - namely Christianity are nothing more than Satantists hiding behind the title of atheist - just like Karl Marx was.
Well, to say “there is no God” in a de facto way makes mankind to be the supreme beings unless your worshipping something else, believe in Aliens, or think that dogs and stuff are equal to humans. But I wouldn’t go as far as what your saying, many despise religion because of their misconception of it which many times is the result of the behaviour of the religious.
Karl Marx wasn’t a Satanist. Frederick the Great was, but Karl Marx didn’t have it in him. He was a mid-Victorian dupe, so thoroughly a product of that era–nothing was more Victorian than a mind-numbingly pedantic German-Jewish scholar spending all his time in England. He spent too much time in Britain, listening to the most unreal politics on the planet (I think South Korea has since taken that title). That’s why everything he says is such complete dreck. The “religion is the opiate of the masses” was just the fashionable idea in England at the time (I think just before the Oxford movement).
How do you get Frederick II or Nietzsche as Satanists? I’m not all that familiar with Frederick, but Nietzsche was simply non-theist. His association with the Third Reich was fabricated after his death by his Nazi sister, who compiled a book, Der Wille zur Macht, out of distorted and out-of-context quotes to make him seem nationalist (he wasn’t) and anti-Semitic (again, he wasn’t).
Wow, that IS interesting to note!
Well, perhaps you might be right. But it would be true if it was indeed meant as just a verbal utterance. I personally wouldn’t take any chances. Just checked the Catechism #1864,… “but if anyone delierately refuses to accept his mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation of the Holy Spirit”. Sounds like if they die before doing this they are definitely cooked! Well, another one that will be addressed on Judgement Day.
Thing is, you can’t commit blasphemy against something you don’t believe exists. What they’re saying in the videos (‘I deny the holy spirit’) isn’t blasphemy; all they’re saying is that they happen to be atheists.
That’s true. Nice Observation! Isn’t it odd they are denying something they already believe to be false? They might commit a sin if they do believe in God and do this, but doing what they do in those videos are rather childish and redundant. Come on, God isn’t stupid to think these people are blaspheming Him and will give them a free no-expenses ride to Hell as a result…
What a great idea! In fact, I asked around and a few of my friends said they’d help me out. I’m thinking we’d all say the Nicaean(sp?) or Apostle’s creed. Would anyone here be interested in doing something similar?
There is a group that has been started to counteract this. It’s called Challenge Blasphemy. Here’s their site:
but much worse is to come.
Gallo, thanks so much. I’m just glad we aren’t asleep on our feet this time.
Let’s get our umbrellas open then…The storm is growing strong and we need to stay on our feet…This is very sad
If the world hate you, know ye, that it hath hated me before you. John 15:18
