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mother4nature
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As part of my studies I need some clarification as to ‘Was there a civilisation before Adam & Eve?’ and if there was who were they?
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Reuben_J
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Is this a trick question?
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mother4nature
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No,
as written in the King James Bible, Genesis 1, vs 26
And God said let US make man in our image after OUR likeness and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over the cattle and over all the eath and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Who is US?
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Genesis 4 vs 16-17
And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord ad dwelt in the land of Nod on the East of Eden.
And Cain knew HIS WIFE and she conceived and bare Enoch
Where did his wife come from?
as written in the King James Bible, Genesis 1, vs 26
And God said let US make man in our image after OUR likeness and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over the cattle and over all the eath and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Who is US?
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Genesis 4 vs 16-17
And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord ad dwelt in the land of Nod on the East of Eden.
And Cain knew HIS WIFE and she conceived and bare Enoch
Where did his wife come from?
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FaithofAbraham
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Maybe humanoids that evolved naturally, like Neanderthals. While Adam was in the Garden for who knows how long eating from the Tree of Life and never aging.
Unless you believe God or Satan put fake dinosaur and caveman bones here for a trick.
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Ilroy
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US is God…The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.
The likely deal with this is that Adam and Eve had more children than just Cain and Abel and since they were our first parents, it appears as though these children had to inter-marry in order to propogate the human race.
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Reuben_J
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Welcome to the forum, mother4nature.
Your questions have been answered quite nicely there.
Your questions have been answered quite nicely there.
As far as what Genesis tells us there were no humans existed before Adam and Eve.
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swariffin
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Dear Mother4nature,
The answer is depends on how do you define “civilisation”. If you mean civilisation include the awareness of the existence of God (in whatever kind of belief), then the answer is no. Adam and Eve are the first “human” who recognize God’s existence, and consequently, God’s power and love.
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holdencaulfield
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There was not. The Bible says that they were the first humans on Earth. Why are you asking this question?
“and there was no man to work the ground” (Genesis 2:5)
“the Lord God formed the man” (Genesis 2:7)
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mother4nature
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Thank you all for your responses.
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inthecloud
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That part of Genesis is Elohist (E).
Elohim means God but is in Plural. The Early Church Fathers saw that as a evindence of the Trinity.
Elohim means God but is in Plural. The Early Church Fathers saw that as a evindence of the Trinity.
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holdencaulfield
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Most people did. I under why the Jews never noticed it?
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Valke2
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Not too many see it as evidence of Trinity today. In the Catholic Encyclopedia’s article on Trinity, this verse is not used to support the concept.
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holdencaulfield
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Yes many people don’t use it. I’m not sure why, however if it works for you I don’t know whats wrong with that.
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Valke2
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I think it was not used as a support because the Church did not interpet it as a support for Trinity. If anything, it is a throwback to pagan language and not a support of monotheism, with or without the Triune concept.
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holdencaulfield
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How is it not a support of monotheism?
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Valke2
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I meant that the plural use of the word could be used to argue that Genesis refers to more than one God. I don’t necessarily agree with this but it is an easier argument to make than to say it is referring to the Trinity.
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Gara3987
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[Gen 1: 26 *DRB] And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth.
- Let us make man to our image…* This image of God in man, is not in the body, but in the soul; which is a spiritual substance, endued with understanding and free will. God speaketh here in the plural number, to insinuate the plurality of persons in the Deity.
[Gen 4: 16-17 *DRB] And Cain went out from the face of the Lord, and dwelt as a fugitive on the earth, at the east side of Eden. And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived, and brought forth Henoch: and he built a city, and called the name thereof by the name of his son Henoch.
I think that that would answer your question. DRB stands for Douay-Rheims Bible which is the translation of the Latin Vulgate, I only read the KJB when I feel like looking for errors in the translations; all the misinterpretations, and I try to find some of the things that Martin Luther omitted.
I hope that that helps you out, you might want to check out Douay-Rheims Bible Online done by Paul B Mann who did an excellent job. It has many foot notes that came directly from the DRB Bishop Challoner translation. If you have anymore questions on the Bible you should be able to find it there. God Bless
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Valke2
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It doesn’t address the fact that Cain was afraid that people would recognize his crime and kill him for it. This fear existed when the only two people alive were his parents.
Another problem I have is that God essentially rewards Cain by increasing his ferocity (anyone harms Cain, vengence shall come to them 7 fold).
It is likely that this story was known to ancient Israel and that it took place in a time well after “In the beginning”. There was a tribe/people called the Kanites (sp?) that were said to be descendant’s of Cain. Since this could only be true if Cain was alive after the Flood, there’s a strong possibililty that the story of Cain originally took place in a much later time, and was grafted onto the Genesis story for some other purpose. Perhaps to explain why the Kanites were so fierce (because God allowed them to take vengence 7 fold rather than life for life, as was the traditional method in ancient near east. (There’s even a word for it which I can’t recall).
Another problem I have is that God essentially rewards Cain by increasing his ferocity (anyone harms Cain, vengence shall come to them 7 fold).
It is likely that this story was known to ancient Israel and that it took place in a time well after “In the beginning”. There was a tribe/people called the Kanites (sp?) that were said to be descendant’s of Cain. Since this could only be true if Cain was alive after the Flood, there’s a strong possibililty that the story of Cain originally took place in a much later time, and was grafted onto the Genesis story for some other purpose. Perhaps to explain why the Kanites were so fierce (because God allowed them to take vengence 7 fold rather than life for life, as was the traditional method in ancient near east. (There’s even a word for it which I can’t recall).
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Gara3987
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You do bring up and interesting point. In the Bible there is a lot that has not been documented, about (anyone harms Cain, vengence shall come to them 7 fold) all I have to say is who are we to question God’s will. God can do anything that He chooses, and we may not fully understand why; most likely do to the fact that our minds can’t comprehend it.
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Reuben_J
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I think this principle is still alive and well today, one of the mainstays of Christianity philosopy - do not take revenge. God was telling us not to take the law unto our own hands because the matter of life and death is His.
We were told never to take the creation story in Genesis as scientific or historical book but rather to undertsand the message in the moral and the principle of the story. I think it’s because it is impossible to compress eon of years in a few pages of story.
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