The Book of Mormon

[Jerusha]

YW, artist.

Tell me about the targeting “based on ethnicity.” How is this accomplished?

Basically, through their geneaological records. I am 1/8 Winnebago, 1/8 Sac & Fox, some of my ancestors on both sides had encounters with the Mormons at Nauvoo. They don’t want this history to be exposed.

Yes, I have seen some of these games played with Hispanics. Basically, trying to distort history in order to brainwash them into accepting their meso-American beliefs. The darker the Hispanic, the nastier it gets.

converted the savages in America. Abuses surely happened here and there.

Perhaps Indians resorted to war because of those abuses? Just perhaps. Do you know of any savage behaviors by Europeans?

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Have you ever read Bartolome de las Casas?

No, but I will add it to my need-to-read list.

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Broaden your perspective, please, and check out the “facts of history” before making statements to that effect.

Happy reading. I am available to make further recommendations.

 

[Allweather]

Really, I’ll do that…that’s a good idea. They are only 3/4 mile from me, so I’m on the main ‘campaign trail’. I have the JD’s 1/4 mile the other direction so I get doubled up. I’ll call them, thanks…

Send 'em over to me! The Mormon missionaries stay away from me. I’m a major fly in their ointment.

 

[artist3189]

Send 'em over to me! The Mormon missionaries stay away from me. I’m a major fly in their ointment.

Ha! Give me your address, I’m sure they’ll pick up their own air fare if I tell them there is a ‘pushover’ waiting to be sold some swamp land on Kolab. Actually, I give them my best shot, I read more and more now so I’m fairly well prepared, and they usually flee after I go on the offensive, they don’t seem to be prepared for that, but still, it’s a pain. During the summer I was trying to fix a lawn-mower that conked out while cutting the grass, I’m sitting in my driveway, all grass stained, oily, frustrated, ready to smash it with a hammer, and…here they come, (second time that month) all nice and clean… white shirts, white teeth smiling, little back packs. Hi I’m Elder Adams, and this is…and I just blew up. And Zernius has the nerve to say, ‘live and let live’ is a LDS code…when, where…not in NEPA, and we’re close to where it all began…bad juju for us, I think.

 

[Allweather]

Perhaps Indians resorted to war because of those abuses? Just perhaps. Do you know of any savage behaviors by Europeans?

OK, now I know why you don’t care for the term “savage,” but I don’t mean it in any disparaging way. I just meant it in the sense that they were, while being many groups of various types of people, not governed by a moral code that comes to us from the Judeo-Christian model. When Lewis and Clark went west in 1803-06, they met groups of “Indians” who, for instance, had no objection to sharing their wives and daughters with strangers sexually. L&C found plagues of venereal disease among them, and this became a medical problem among the 50 men in the company. Some of these groups of Indians reportedly had no consideration whatever for their old. Once an old person was of no further use, or able to care for himself, he was just left to die. Competitiveness among tribes, long before the arrival of the Europeans, was often vicious. A strong tribe could bottle up a weaker tribe and essentially starve them slowly out of existence. While these same types of behaviors certainly existed, and still exist among Europeans and their descendents, it isn’t the Catholic Church that promotes them, but rather the Catholic Church which consistently teaches a far higher level of behavior.

Columbus was brought back to Spain in chains on charges of abusing the native peoples he was given authority over.

Speaking of Lewis and Clark, though, it is interesting that without the kindness and often sacrificial acts of many Indians, they would never have survived the trip. In fact, at most any time the Indians could have overwhelmed the company, killed the men, taken their quite considerable store of arms, and instantly become the most powerful tribe on the continent in terms of weaponry. The Indians were far from stupid, and it is certain they understood this, but yet practiced a form of hospitality not often found among Europeans.

These are just a handful of thoughts that come to me at this moment. Deeper study would reveal quite a bit more “facts” I’m sure, and I will continue studying this. Yet, I am absolutely convinced of the superiority of Catholic teaching in terms of humanism. If I weren’t so convinced, it’d be hard for me to be a Catholic.

Happy reading. I am available to make further recommendations.

Thanks. I’m going to read de las Casas next. Right now I’ve got another reading project going that will take another couple of weeks or so.

 

[Jerusha]

Deeper study would reveal quite a bit more “facts” I’m sure, and I will continue studying this. Yet, I am absolutely convinced of the superiority of Catholic teaching in terms of humanism. If I weren’t so convinced, it’d be hard for me to be a Catholic.

Undeniably. Yet so many Catholics have fallen short of those teachings.

 

[Allweather]

Ha! Give me your address, I’m sure they’ll pick up their own air fare if I tell them there is a ‘pushover’ waiting to be sold some swamp land on Kolab.

Well, maybe I should treasure my peace and quiet more than I do. It seems strange, though, that they never come to my house. I live in a state with a pretty high Mormon population, being that we are right next to Utah, and then there is AZ just to the west. There are many Mormon wards here, though the two I’ve visited are rather thinly attended, or were thinly attended on those occasions. I see the little missionaries out and about almost every day, even close by my neighborhood, but in the over 7 years I’ve lived in this house, I’ve not been visited even once. Had quite a few JWs come by, but never a Mormon.

I’m thinking about getting a statue of Our Lady and a grotto, and setting it up in my yard. Do you think that would serve as a deterrent to the Mormons? Or an attraction?

 

[Allweather]

Undeniably. Yet so many Catholics have fallen short of those teachings.

Yes, but let’s not ignore the many great ones, including many anonymous saints, who’ve more than measured up. We only hear the bad news.

 

[artist3189]

I’m thinking about getting a statue of Our Lady and a grotto, and setting it up in my yard. Do you think that would serve as a deterrent to the Mormons? Or an attraction?

Both!!! Some fish bite on lures, others turn and run, who knows which type will show up. But it’s still a good idea either way.

 

[JonathanKinsman]

I’m thinking about getting a statue of Our Lady and a grotto, and setting it up in my yard. Do you think that would serve as a deterrent to the Mormons? Or an attraction?

Instead of the serpent under Our Lady’s feet, place a red leather BoM splayed open. That will bring their ‘bishop’ to your door!

 

[Baron_Holbach]

If you would like to read an excellent critique of the Book of Mormon and its origins, I highly recommend Grant Palmer’s “An Insider’s View of Mormon Origins.” Palmer, a Mormon, was disfellowshipped by the LDS church after his book was published. He remains a member of the Mormon church.

 

[Allweather]

If you would like to read an excellent critique of the Book of Mormon and its origins, I highly recommend Grant Palmer’s “An Insider’s View of Mormon Origins.” Palmer, a Mormon, was disfellowshipped by the LDS church after his book was published. He remains a member of the Mormon church.

Thanks. I just ordered it off Amazon.

BTW how does he remain a member of the LDS if they disfellowshipped him? Was he reinstated?

 

[Baron_Holbach]

Thanks. I just ordered it off Amazon.

BTW how does he remain a member of the LDS if they disfellowshipped him? Was he reinstated?

Allweather, Palmer had to face Church court over the controversy of his book. Being disfellowshipped is just one step away from excommunication. Here’s the irony: Palmer is the consummate scholar and it would appear by the LDS’s actions against him that they do not appreciate sound scholarship.

 

[Allweather]

Allweather, Palmer had to face Church court over the controversy of his book. Being disfellowshipped is just one step away from excommunication. Here’s the irony: Palmer is the consummate scholar and it would appear by the LDS’s actions against him that they do not appreciate sound scholarship.

Aha. Well then, I look forward to the book.

 

[JonathanKinsman]

How Palmer is being handled is indicative of the cracks beginning to show, and leak, in the Mormon Monolith Belief System.

They can not come down too hard on him, or Palmer would be a lightning rod to rally exMormons and those hankering for truth about the sect’s dubious beginnings.

Pax Christi

 

[Baron_Holbach]

How Palmer is being handled is indicative of the cracks beginning to show, and leak, in the Mormon Monolith Belief System.

They can not come down too hard on him, or Palmer would be a lightning rod to rally exMormons and those hankering for truth about the sect’s dubious beginnings.

Pax Christi

Cognitive dissonance is spreading through the Mormon ranks. The Internet ushered in a revolution of information, where in prior times such knowledge was not available to inquiring Mormons. Exmormon.org is a Web site featuring many stories of those Mormons who left the the LDS faith.

 

[JonathanKinsman]

Cognitive dissonance is spreading through the Mormon ranks. The Internet ushered in a revolution of information, where in prior times such knowledge was not available to inquiring Mormons. Exmormon.org is a Web site featuring many stories of those Mormons who left the the LDS faith.

Not just for the conversion stories to Christianity, Baron, but that great site also has document links showing the MASSIVE changes in “scripture” for that “fullness of the Gospel” “restoration of the Christian church” sect: Mormonism.

Pax Christi