No, I don’t think that Iran conquers Iraq. The two horns of the ram in Daniel 8:3 are the two leaders, one of Iran and the other of Iraq. One horn is higher than the other, symbolizing that one leader has more power, but both rule at the same time, over the same group of nations (the ram).The first was like a lion, but with eagle’s wings. While I watched, the wings were plucked; it was raised from the ground to stand on two feet like a man, and given a human mind. (Dan 7:4)
Another kingdom shall take your place, inferior to yours, then a third kingdom, of bronze, which shall rule over the whole earth. (Dan 2:39)
Doesn’t the scenario call for Iran to conquer Iraq first?
How does our current occupation of Iraq factor in?
Do you think NATO would sit on around doing nothing while Europe is being invaded, the whole purpose of NATO was to defend Europe, besides why would Islam attack Europe? they would lose, and they hate Israel more than Europe anyway.No, I don’t think that Iran conquers Iraq. The two horns of the ram in Daniel 8:3 are the two leaders, one of Iran and the other of Iraq. One horn is higher than the other, symbolizing that one leader has more power, but both rule at the same time, over the same group of nations (the ram).
I don’t think the current U.S. presence in Iraq is much of a factor. Iraq will be taken over by extremists, as will the other nations of that region (but not Israel).
Your position is reasonable.No they would not strong enough or even capable of invading Europe. They would all be bombed out of existence by Nato (including US) before any of them could set foot on European soil. It would also be highly likely that Russia would side with Nato.
Iran will never be allowed to complete a nuclear weapons program as they will be attacked by Israel and likely backed by the US.
Your scenario (even though speculative) is a non-starter.
In my view, they also attack to the South, further into Africa from northern Africa.Also, why wouldn’t Islam attack Christians in Africa?
No, I’m not saying that Europe will be conquered in 2010, but only that the war begins in 2010 and continues throughout the 2010s.
Yes, this is speculative eschatology.
Who do you think will be the one to take over Israel (Dan 9:26-27; 11:30-31; 12:11)?No, I don’t think that Iran conquers Iraq. The two horns of the ram in Daniel 8:3 are the two leaders, one of Iran and the other of Iraq. One horn is higher than the other, symbolizing that one leader has more power, but both rule at the same time, over the same group of nations (the ram).
I don’t think the current U.S. presence in Iraq is much of a factor. Iraq will be taken over by extremists, as will the other nations of that region (but not Israel).
You can read just about anything you want into books like Daniel and Revelation. It’s pure speculation and personal opinion to definitively associate anything in those books with Iran and Iraq in our times.No, I don’t think that Iran conquers Iraq. The two horns of the ram in Daniel 8:3 are the two leaders, one of Iran and the other of Iraq. One horn is higher than the other, symbolizing that one leader has more power, but both rule at the same time, over the same group of nations (the ram).
I don’t think the current U.S. presence in Iraq is much of a factor. Iraq will be taken over by extremists, as will the other nations of that region (but not Israel).
Yes, I interpret the first seal (first horseman) to be World War 3. However, the whole world won’t be involved in the war; it is not a truly global war. Neither are all the superpowers involved in the war (U.S. Russia China).Which war? WWIII? Will the entire world be engaged? I am trying to understand what point you are making, because we are currently engaged in a world with several fronts that doesn’t look like it is going to end any time soon.
No, I don’t think that Israel will be conquered during the war.Who do you think will be the one to take over Israel (Dan 9:26-27; 11:30-31; 12:11)?
During their respective times, Daniel predicted Antiochus and Jesus predicted the Romans.
That is the difficult part of trying to apply prophecy that has already been fulfilled into the future. Jesus applied some of Daniel’s verses to a different set of circumstances during the first century. But in both cases Israel was conquered AFTER the wars/signs leading up to the desolation.No, I don’t think that Israel will be conquered during the war.
If I am correct the first event is a series of insurrections, coups, and small battles/wars in and among the Arab/Muslim nations of the Middle East and northern Africa which results in extremists taking power in all those nations, united as one group of nations, under the leadership of Iran and Iraq (Persia and Media). Then they begin to threaten the West.Ron you said…“No, I don’t think the invasion begins this year. The war begins this year, but not the actual invasion.” My question is how do you have a war without an invasion?
Or does it start by missle attacks or by some other alternative way?
Key word: “If”If I am correct the first event is a series of insurrections, coups, and small battles/wars in and among the Arab/Muslim nations of the Middle East and northern Africa which results in extremists taking power in all those nations, united as one group of nations, under the leadership of Iran and Iraq (Persia and Media). Then they begin to threaten the West.
[Daniel]
{8:3} And I lifted up my eyes and saw, and behold, a single ram stood before the marsh, having two high horns, and one was higher than the other and growing higher still.
{8:4} After this, I saw the ram brandishing his horns against the West…