The Boy Crisis: A Sobering look at the State of our Boys, by Warren Farrell Ph.D

[smichhertz]

Hey all,

I was very touched and moved by this TED Talk by Dr. Warren Farrell. Dr. Farrell was originally a feminist in the 70s but changed his mind after he continued to research gender issues. Please consider giving it a watch! Especially for all parents out there!

 

[heidi_storage]

What’s the Reader’s Digest of the video? (I don’t watch online videos, except for kids’ stuff.)

 

[1ke]

What’s the Reader’s Digest of the video? (I don’t watch online videos, except for kids’ stuff.)

Heidi, it is 13 minutes long, It IS the reader’s digest version. I’ve got no clue why you would not just watch it. Why don’t you watch online videos? It’s your loss if you don’t.

 

[mVitus]

Heidi, it is 13 minutes long, It IS the reader’s digest version. I’ve got no clue why you would not just watch it. Why don’t you watch online videos? It’s your loss if you don’t.

I’m not sure what Heidi’s reasons are, but here are mine.

1: I generally don’t want to disturb others in the household by having the sound on.
2: Hearing Loss + Poorly Captioned Youtube = Little Learned

Just something to consider in regards to videos.

 

[PJH_74]

Dr. Farrell was originally a feminist in the 70s but changed his mind after he continued to research gender issues. Please consider giving it a watch! Especially for all parents out there!

I don’t know if saying, or at least implying, that he’s no longer a feminist is correct. There are still plenty of things women and lag behind on socially. That doesn’t mean I think he has no point here saying the development of boys has been left in a vacuum. I think he’s dead on that being a stay at home dad or working in the caring professions is something we need to remove from masculine taboos. All of us suffer from this.

 

[heidi_storage]

Heidi, it is 13 minutes long, It IS the reader’s digest version. I’ve got no clue why you would not just watch it. Why don’t you watch online videos? It’s your loss if you don’t.

Most of the time that I’m on the internet, I’m on a 5-year-old iPad, which doesn’t lend itself to watching videos. When I do put something on the TV screen, it’s something for the kiddos. Especially for something that is didactic or meant to provoke thought, I would much rather read than watch.

Anyway, maybe “Reader’s Digest” isn’t the right phrase; transcript? Accompanying essay?

If not, then sure, it’s my loss. That’s fine. I’ll find something else to read.

 

[Anglewannabe]

The only good part of the video was how he talked about not knowing he was talking to John Lennon.

There seems to be a meesage he can no longer be a femnist because of the ‘boy crisis’, which I think is a flawed argument. Feminism originally was about men taking on more caring roles. When I was younger and women wanted to start having careers, day care was considered taboo and the expectation was that men would stay home with kids:shrug:

Not to mention the fact that he talked about being divorced and remarrying as if that is OK.

Honestly, I do believe boys are forgetten in a lot of ways. But not in the way the video states

Angie

 

[1ke]

I’m not sure what Heidi’s reasons are, but here are mine.

1: I generally don’t want to disturb others in the household by having the sound on.
2: Hearing Loss + Poorly Captioned Youtube = Little Learned

Just something to consider in regards to videos.

Headphones.

And TED talks are well captioned.

 

[1ke]

Most of the time that I’m on the internet, I’m on a 5-year-old iPad, which doesn’t lend itself to watching videos. When I do put something on the TV screen, it’s something for the kiddos. Especially for something that is didactic or meant to provoke thought, I would much rather read than watch.

Anyway, maybe “Reader’s Digest” isn’t the right phrase; transcript? Accompanying essay?

If not, then sure, it’s my loss. That’s fine. I’ll find something else to read.

Weird, because my iPad is old and no problem. TED has closed captioning, but no transcript that I know of.

 

[on_the_hill]

Not to be a snit, but I rarely watch anything online that’s longer than 2 or 3 minutes. And even then I fast forward to the end. Too many other enticing options to click through, I guess.

 

[StudentMI]

Hey smichhertz, sorry your thread has become petty reasons not to watch a video. Cause, you know, if people didn’t watch it they could just not comment. Imagine that.

 

[Xantippe]

Yeah,

During the daytime, I need to be aware of my surroundings and what the kids are up to (so no headphones) and videos or audio may be inappropriate for children. (I’ve often had to quickly turn off things that wound up being inappropriate.)

Then during the evening when the kids are in bed, it may not be my husband’s cup of tea.

Plus, you can skim a text but you can’t really skim a video so well.

I’m not sure what Heidi’s reasons are, but here are mine.

1: I generally don’t want to disturb others in the household by having the sound on.
2: Hearing Loss + Poorly Captioned Youtube = Little Learned

Just something to consider in regards to videos.

 

[Xantippe]

Hey smichhertz, sorry your thread has become petty reasons not to watch a video. Cause, you know, if people didn’t watch it they could just not comment. Imagine that.

How about pulling out some points or quotes?

When I post about an article on CAF, I try to make a point of pulling out quotes that I think will be especially good for discussion. In my experience, people will generally discuss the quotes. It can be frustrating, but it is what it is.

 

[StudentMI]

How about pulling out some points or quotes?

When I post about an article on CAF, I try to make a point of pulling out quotes that I think will be especially good for discussion. In my experience, people will generally discuss the quotes. It can be frustrating, but it is what it is.

My point still stands. Let’s stop derailing the thread and let people who watched it discuss it. Come on, guys. It’s not that hard.

 

[Xantippe]

My point still stands. Let’s stop derailing the thread and let people who watched it discuss it. Come on, guys. It’s not that hard.

Go for it!

(Again, it’s much easier to have a discussion if people pull out quotes and get things started.)

 

[SuperLuigi]

Hey smichhertz, sorry your thread has become petty reasons not to watch a video. Cause, you know, if people didn’t watch it they could just not comment. Imagine that.

I know that if I post links and sources, people on here won’t read them. Which suggests to me that conversing on here in any depth is a complete waste of time.

 

[SuperLuigi]

How about pulling out some points or quotes?

When I post about an article on CAF, I try to make a point of pulling out quotes that I think will be especially good for discussion. In my experience, people will generally discuss the quotes. It can be frustrating, but it is what it is.

And people wonder why we’re “losing” the culture war.

Oh, and I know…everyone is “surprised” and “didn’t think that could happen in their time” yadda yadda yah…

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

I don’t see how Xantiippe’s post is proof of losing a culture war.

I’ll watch later the video later I’m interested because I’ve got sons and daughters.

 

[heidi_storage]

There’s an interview wih Dr. Farrell on the subject:

ifstudies.org/blog/boys-in-crisis-an-interview-with-warren-farrell

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As the women’s movement went mainstream, I loved the options for women it created, but also felt there was a demonizing men, an undervaluing of the family, and a blindness to how boys and men were being harmed that would have profound effects on families, boys, addiction, careers, women wanting children without the involvement of failure-to-launch dads, male unemployment, the global economy, and so on. When I uncovered reasons that were not part of the public consciousness, I felt I had something to contribute—which led to The Boy Crisis."

 

[PaulinVA]

This is also written about by Dr. Leonard Sax (Boys Adrift).

The problem is that as girls are ascendant, boys are descendant. It doesn’t need to be, but it is.

Schools are the biggest reason of this, as Dr Farrell said. As women are infected by an imperfect feminism, they are shaping education to be hostile to boys. Boys thrive with competition. Women teachers have declared competition as bad. Boys are turned off from school at an early age because of their teachers’ hostility, either consciously or subconsciously, to the way they learn.

Boys/men have rightly had to cede power, cede control of the world, to women. The “good ole’ days” were really good only for white men, let’s be frank. BUT, after tearing men down, nothing has been brought forward to replace that.

It’s interesting talking to my twenty-something kids. For them, the idea of a man as responsible for his family and a breadwinner and in charge is not the modern way, even though they basically grew up in that system (yes, I know my wife is REALLY in charge!).

In the egalitarian world of gender equality, men have lost their purpose.