The burden of proof is on believers to prove God exists (according to atheist philosphers)

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Peter_Plato said:
And you are certain that the devil exists, apparently, though it isn’t clear to me that you can move from your experience of the devil to the existence of the devil without undermining your whole thesis.
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I make a distinction between “I believe” and “I think”, by first I mean that I consider the subject matter might be true because I experience it and by second I mean that I am sure that subject matter is true because I have a proof for it. In this regards, I believe that Devils exist but I think that 2+2=4.
Peter_Plato said:
To be consistent, you can only claim that your experience of the devil is what you are certain of, not the existence of the devil. Otherwise, if the devil exists because you have experienced it, then why doesn’t the universe exist because you experience it? Or trees, deer, the Sun and people around you? Or your “self” for that matter, because you undeniably experience those?
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I believe on everything that I experience but I cannot prove that they exist.
Peter_Plato said:
As for Descarte’s Demon, why should I waste my time if you can only possibly be convinced that YOUR experience ALONE exists?
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Because our experiences could be a part of His creation. How could we be sure that there is an experiencer?
Peter_Plato said:
As far as I can tell, you are being completely arbitrary with regard to what you accept as “proven” by your direct experience and what you choose to deny as existing.

Your standard for “proof” of existing is entirely capricious.
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I think my position is clear by now considering the previous comments.
 
STT said:
I experience Devil. I haven’t experience God.
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You do realize that the devil is “the father of lies,” correct?

So if – a la Descartes – the devil exists, perhaps you are being deceived with regard to your experiences and what they signify?

Perhaps you experience God all the time, but you are being deceived into not knowing it?

Maybe that is why Jesus insisted that faith in God is required. As CS Lewis said we are in enemy held territory – but only temporarily.
 
Peter_Plato said:
You do realize that the devil is “the father of lies,” correct?
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You are talking about Satan? I don’t know if He has Divine power but His Puppets are very strong. They are able to read my mind, give me fake vision, control my mind, torture me, scare me to death and even inject any thought inside my mind such that I think those thoughts are mine. Deceiving is simple. It is better to keep distance from them unless you are very strong.
Peter_Plato said:
So if – a la Descartes – the devil exists, perhaps you are being deceived with regard to your experiences and what they signify?
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I constantly judge my mind to be sure that I am on the right track. It is difficult. I also believe that there are other spiritual beings like Angels, and others I cannot give any name to them. Spiritual Realm is HUGE.
Peter_Plato said:
Perhaps you experience God all the time, but you are being deceived into not knowing it?
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I am not sure about that. I had a couple of visions and that was it.
Peter_Plato said:
Maybe that is why Jesus insisted that faith in God is required. As CS Lewis said we are in enemy held territory – but only temporarily.
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I don’t think if Lewis is correct. How a lovely God could allow this? I think his picture is incorrect.
 
STT said:
I like to but I cannot help it.
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Pray. Know that God is stronger than Satan - infinitely stronger. Satan’s power is an illusion, don’t let him ensnare you with his evil ways. You can defeat him through the power of God.
 
STT said:
I don’t think if Lewis is correct. How a lovely God could allow this? I think his picture is incorrect.
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God walked the earth as a man and he was crucified. We ARE in enemy territory!

God stayed in the tomb for three days and rose again – God’s power, even when in an apparently losing or lost position, will NOT be restrained.

He will rise even from the dead, and so will we. Satan’s power is only one of intimidation. God’s power is without bounds - even when all seems lost – he will rise and make all things new.

Hold firm in faith!
 
Peter_Plato said:
God walked the earth as a man and he was crucified. We ARE in enemy territory!

God stayed in the tomb for three days and rose again – God’s power, even when in an apparently losing or lost position, will NOT be restrained.

He will rise even from the dead, and so will we. Satan’s power is only one of intimidation. God’s power is without bounds - even when all seems lost – he will rise and make all things new.

Hold firm in faith!
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How could we be held in enemy territory if God’s love and power is infinite? How God, Jesus, could be killed if He is all powerful?
 
STT said:
How could we be held in enemy territory if God’s love and power is infinite?
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It is called sin. It is freely chosen imprisonment in enemy territory.
How God, Jesus, could be killed if He is all powerful?
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He chose not to use His power to prevent it.
 
STT said:
We are not responsible for Adam’s and Eve’s sins.
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No but Satan is the ruler of this world. Since you only see things in terms of this world, that is why you are such an easy prey for him.

Don’t you see any goodness and love in you life? That is the evidence of God. Goodness equals GOD. Evil equals Satan. It’s really that simple.
 
STT said:
We are not responsible for Adam’s and Eve’s sins.
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Sin, in this context, is your and my person sin, not Adam and Eve’s. Our own sin is responsible for our individual person prisons.
He in fact left us here.
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So? What does this have do with anything posted here.
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
No but Satan is the ruler of this world. Since you only see things in terms of this world, that is why you are such an easy prey for him.

Don’t you see any goodness and love in you life? That is the evidence of God. Goodness equals GOD. Evil equals Satan. It’s really that simple.
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How could we see goodness and love if Satan rules this world?
 
davidv said:
Sin, in this context, is your and my person sin, not Adam and Eve’s. Our own sin is responsible for our individual person prisons.
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But we are already in prison because of sin we have never committed.
davidv said:
So? What does this have do with anything posted here.
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No one does what God did. You claim doesn’t make any sense especially when you define as all good and love.
 
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