The Cafeteria is Closed

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Since Benedict XVI was elected Pope, we’ve all heard this phrase. The Cafeteria is now Closed. I was just wondering if any of you have heard this in Mass since then? Has your Priest mentioned this phrase, was it in support of the Pope, or was it in a snide remark (I pray not! )

Our mentioned it this weekend, and I could see head nodding all over, even some looked as if they were about to clap, but overall people seemed in agreement.

So, have you have any mention of this in your church?
 
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mommy:
Since Benedict XVI was elected Pope, we’ve all heard this phrase. The Cafeteria is now Closed. I was just wondering if any of you have heard this in Mass since then? Has your Priest mentioned this phrase, was it in support of the Pope, or was it in a snide remark (I pray not! )

Our mentioned it this weekend, and I could see head nodding all over, even some looked as if they were about to clap, but overall people seemed in agreement.

So, have you have any mention of this in your church?
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Not by our priest.
 
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mommy:
Since Benedict XVI was elected Pope, we’ve all heard this phrase. The Cafeteria is now Closed. I was just wondering if any of you have heard this in Mass since then? Has your Priest mentioned this phrase, was it in support of the Pope, or was it in a snide remark (I pray not! )

Our mentioned it this weekend, and I could see head nodding all over, even some looked as if they were about to clap, but overall people seemed in agreement.

So, have you have any mention of this in your church?
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I wish. What we hear is “it’s our church”. I’d love to hear a homily statiing that “It’s Christs’ church and the cafeteria is closed.”
 
On EWTN’s Mass today, Father Connor mentioned this phrase. His reponse was great though, instead of saying “the Cafeteria is Closed”, the appropriate reponse in the eyes of the Church, should be “The Cafeteria was Never Opened”! 👍
 
I hope I never hear it our Parish. It is a condescending remark that insults intelligent people of good faith who have real, and well reasoned questions about Church doctrine.
 
Questioning the faith and blatantly ignoring the teachings of The Church are two different things…
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cheese_sdc:
I hope I never hear it our Parish. It is a condescending remark that insults intelligent people of good faith who have real, and well reasoned questions about Church doctrine.
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cheese_sdc:
snip!..intelligent people of good faith who have real, and well reasoned questions about Church doctrine.
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Oxymoron?

Self indulgence not “good faith” is an ingredient of descent.
 
gnat:
What does the phrase refer to?
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Gnat,

A cafeteria Catholic is one who picks and chooses what they wish to believe from the Dogma of the Church. If one believes, as Catholics do, that the Catholic Church is the One True Church founded by Jesus Christ and that the Holy Spirit has guided the Church through the Millenium to ensure that the Fullness of the Truth remain accessible to the Faithful, than you cannot decide “I’ll keep this, and chuck that”.

That would be a cafeteria Catholic, a phrase which is an Oxymoron.

Hope that helps.

God Bless,

CARose
 
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dumspirospero:
Questioning the faith and blatantly ignoring the teachings of The Church are two different things…
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Or flat out fighting against what one does not want to follow.
How about those Rainbow Sash people?
 
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cheese_sdc:
I hope I never hear it our Parish. It is a condescending remark that insults intelligent people of good faith who have real, and well reasoned questions about Church doctrine.
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While it might be flippant, it isn’t condescending. It does have the potential to offend some marginal Catholics. Those would be those people who, while often intellegent, are of weak faith and/or poorly catechized, who have real questions about whether they believe enough of Catholic doctine to remain Catholic and whose idea of well-reasoned often means that they want to interpret the Church’s teachings as they see fit.

To publically deny assent of faith to a doctine of the Church is to be a heretic. I think it is a euphamism to call them Cafeteria Catholics.
 
I would love to hear this at my parish. There are many in my parish who are openly cateteria Catholics :mad:

We have a “nice” priest, but he HATES anything that LOOKS like confrontation. 😦
 
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kmktexas:
While it might be flippant, it isn’t condescending. It does have the potential to offend some marginal Catholics. Those would be those people who, while often intellegent, are of weak faith and/or poorly catechized, who have real questions about whether they believe enough of Catholic doctine to remain Catholic and whose idea of well-reasoned often means that they want to interpret the Church’s teachings as they see fit.

To publically deny assent of faith to a doctine of the Church is to be a heretic. I think it is a euphamism to call them Cafeteria Catholics.
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I would respectfully disagree. I don’t see that the definition of a “good” catholic is one who is in a doctrinal lock step with Rome.

I would consider a good catholic one that sincerely, to the best of there understanding, is trying to live a sacramental life. That is, they go to Mass regularly, go to confession regularly, avail themselves of the graces in the Catholic Church, and practice the corporal works of mercy.

I can tolerate a little bit of doctrinal “impurity”, mainly because I am pretty sure that there isn’t a theology test to get into Heaven.
 
Also, one of my professors had a saying “There is a thin line between orthodoxy and heresy”. It took me several years, but I am coming to understand what he meant.
 
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cheese_sdc:
I would respectfully disagree. I don’t see that the definition of a “good” catholic is one who is in a doctrinal lock step with Rome.

I would consider a good catholic one that sincerely, to the best of there understanding, is trying to live a sacramental life. That is, they go to Mass regularly, go to confession regularly, avail themselves of the graces in the Catholic Church, and practice the corporal works of mercy.

I can tolerate a little bit of doctrinal “impurity”, mainly because I am pretty sure that there isn’t a theology test to get into Heaven.
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But as my father said, cover all your bases because you never know.
How do you know that the theology test isn’t THE test?
Abraham was asked to kill his own son. Who knows what God wants. We are not biblically based, we are traditionally based.
 
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cheese_sdc:
Also, one of my professors had a saying “There is a thin line between orthodoxy and heresy”. It took me several years, but I am coming to understand what he meant.
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Damn straight there is.
There is full willful obedience and there is full willful dissent.
There is orthodoxy and there is heterodoxy.
NO MIDDLE GROUND!
 
I abhor that group…I will continue to pray for them.
netmil(name removed by moderator):
Or flat out fighting against what one does not want to follow.
How about those Rainbow Sash people?
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But as my father said, cover all your bases because you never know.
How do you know that the theology test isn’t THE test?
Abraham was asked to kill his own son. Who knows what God wants. We are not biblically based, we are traditionally based.
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Please see Matthew 25:31-46.

And see also Matthew 7:1-2.

And Catholicism not being based on Scripture is new to me. They never taught me that in seminary.
Damn straight there is.
There is full willful obedience and there is full willful dissent.
There is orthodoxy and there is heterodoxy.
NO MIDDLE GROUND!
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I am assuming that by “Damn straight” you are agreeing with me about the thin line. But it seems that you have a different idea about were that line is. Can you tell me when saying a novena crosses the line and becomes superstition?

Or how, when the priest prays “may we come to share the divinity of Christ, as he has shared in our humanity”. How can you share just a little bit of Divinity? Since Divinity is infinite, if you have a little, you have it all. Does this make us all Divine?
 
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cheese_sdc:
I am assuming that by “Damn straight” you are agreeing with me about the thin line. But it seems that you have a different idea about were that line is. Can you tell me when saying a novena crosses the line and becomes superstition?
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That is an internal discretion between the one praying and God. The intent is clearly a factor.
Or how, when the priest prays “may we come to share the divinity of Christ, as he has shared in our humanity”. How can you share just a little bit of Divinity? Since Divinity is infinite, if you have a little, you have it all. Does this make us all Divine?
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It’s not my place to determine that. It is however my place to accept whatever Holy Mother Church teaches.
 
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