The case against big public surprise proposals

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Some married friends have a funny story involving her engagement ring. Her engagement ring was created from an old family diamond he contributed and melting down/cashing in (I forget which) her old boyfriend jewelry.
 
…and for any young man contemplating proposing, be it in public or private. Have a ring!!!

Do not do the we’ll get one later. Have one when you ask, doesn’t have to be fancy, and pick a jeweler who’ll let you come back with her and change it for one she likes better. But have the ring when you ask. Because the first thing friends/family will ask when she tells them you’re engaged is - let me see the ring!!
To me it seems more normal and more respectful to ask first and then go buy the ring or rings separately together.
 
The responses are commenting on the OP reading an article where a woman fears her boyfriend is planning a public proposal and she is unsure about marrying him. Sounds like being put in an awkward position or on the spot to me!

Even the thread title talks about proposal not the engagement. I think we’re all well versed in vocabulary to tell the difference but thanks for setting us all straight.
LOL. I thought the same thing when I read that.
The thread is about something else entirely. 😉
 
Yeah. And I mean what would your husband say? :eek:

Sorry. Couldn’t resist.

Peace Kelfa.

-Trident
:D:D:D

I thin my husband would just be incredulous I found the time to date someone.

Though he’d be be happy I’d found someone who would buy me dinners and drinks and would ask if he’d be willing to take him out for dinner and drinks too!
 
…and for any young man contemplating proposing, be it in public or private. Have a ring!!!
Matter of opinion. If a man who I am about to marry spent a lot of money on a ring before consulting me, I would find that offensive
Do not do the we’ll get one later.
Why not? I was always hoping a man would do it that way
. Because the first thing friends/family will ask when she tells them you’re engaged is - let me see the ring!!
Honestly, if I didn’t have a ring and friends and family asked to see it, I would not be upset that I don’t have a ring.
 
Matter of opinion. If a man who I am about to marry spent a lot of money on a ring before consulting me, I would find that offensive
Right.

Again, know your girl before doing Big Romantic Gesture.

For instance, if my husband bought me a car without discussing it with me beforehand, there would be words.
 
A proposal-- whether private or public, is a lovely romantic thing. If things have been discerned well, the public proposal in no way puts a woman on the spot.
Depends, if I was witnessing a public proposal, I think I would be disgusted. Might not put the woman on the spot, but it should would but the public on the spot. Force to clap and cheer them on when I have better things to do.

I remember hearing about a French club were people gathered to practice their French. One girls boyfriend showed up and proposed in English. The whole evening was spent listening to him in English when several people came out to practice their French. Very rude of him
 
To me it seems more normal and more respectful to ask first and then go buy the ring or rings separately together.
And to me, it seems (seemed?) more normal and respectful for him to go select one and offer it to me at the time of the proposal. Now I did get a call from the mall, where he said (and I quote) “I feel silly. What the heck kind of ring do you like?” LOL! So it wasn’t a surprise that he was going to ask - but I wanted the ring to be something HE selected and surprised me with - plus our agreement was that he should never, ever tell me what it cost and I’d never, ever ask it’s (material) value. I figured it’s either be what I’d consider too large a cost (and I’d be scared to wear it) or else I’d end up thinking he didn’t spend all he might have because he didn’t value me/our relationship.

Close to 20 years in, I still don’t know what the ring is worth/what he spent, and I still smile because I know it’s the one HE picked for ME. 👍
 
And to me, it seems (seemed?) more normal and respectful for him to go select one and offer it to me at the time of the proposal. Now I did get a call from the mall, where he said (and I quote) “I feel silly. What the heck kind of ring do you like?” LOL! So it wasn’t a surprise that he was going to ask - but I wanted the ring to be something HE selected and surprised me with - plus our agreement was that he should never, ever tell me what it cost and I’d never, ever ask it’s (material) value. I figured it’s either be what I’d consider too large a cost (and I’d be scared to wear it) or else I’d end up thinking he didn’t spend all he might have because he didn’t value me/our relationship.

Close to 20 years in, I still don’t know what the ring is worth/what he spent, and I still smile because I know it’s the one HE picked for ME. 👍
On the flip side of that coin, brother-in-law.proposed to sis on a Friday night, in a nice secluded spot. Next day they went to a local jeweller and picked a ring out together.

Being both sensible and financially stable, they picked something good quality and not cheap, but also neither gaudy nor ridiculously expensive. Neither would have wanted it any other way than as a jointly made.decision, and both are still smiling 20 years on.

I personally would be very uncomfortable with the idea of anyone going into debt (which is what a line of.credit is) to buy something that was neither a necessity nor (usually) a good investment.

I have to agree with the earlier poster - know your proposee!
 
Well, I’ll offer my story.

He and I discerned, did pre-marriage questions and marriage prep through our dating. Took the focus. Went to look at rings together so he knew what I liked. We are long distance, so I suspected, but wasn’t sure that the ring was made in time for his trip.

I am a music director at a parish-- have been at this one for 13 years. This parish is my family. He planned with the pastor ahead of time and proposed at the end (during the announcements) at mass.

I wasn’t put on the spot. He had my preferences for a ring. Yet, still got to be surprised, and also in front of my parish family.

He said:
“Like Jesus offered himself for his bride, the church, I’m offering to give myself to you”

Had many tell me that they were inspired by it.
 
:D:D:D

I thin my husband would just be incredulous I found the time to date someone.

Though he’d be be happy I’d found someone who would buy me dinners and drinks and would ask if he’d be willing to take him out for dinner and drinks too!
:rotfl:

Oh that’s too good. Too funny!
 
Had many tell me that they were inspired by it.
Again, this is a matter of opinion. And trust me, all the people who were offended by it were too polite to tell you.

I can’t help think about the girl in the room with her boyfriend and she and her boyfriend discussed it and the boyfriend said ‘I am not sure you are the one for me I need more time’. Witnessing a public proposal where they have to be polite in public is akward for them.

I once dated a man who was anxious to marry and have kids. Every time someone announced an engagement or pregnancy, I could not congratulate them in front of him because the second we were alone, he would pressure me.

IMO public proposals are inconsiderate to the other people in the room
 
After reading through this thread, I can see why so many men are completely baffled as to what women want.
Women want to get married,
But don’t do this. don’t do that, don’t you DARE do that!

Yikes.
It’s a private matter. Hopefully by the time one feels compelled to pop the question, he well knows his beloved. :o
As ticky as she may be…LOL
 
After reading through this thread, I can see why so many men are completely baffled as to what women want.
Women want to get married,
But don’t do this. don’t do that, don’t you DARE do that!

Yikes.
It’s a private matter. Hopefully by the time one feels compelled to pop the question, he well knows his beloved. :o
As ticky as she may be…LOL
Of course not all women want the same thing.

How is a man to know? Well–he *asks!! *It is called communication. If you meet someone you think you might want to marry and he or she is disappointed to find you ask direct questions instead of developing your mind-reading skills, keep moving.

People sometimes do the bait-and-switch, because people are people and don’t know what they want until the time actually comes. That happens, too. It is OK. It is probably inevitable. It is one of those things a couple manages as they go through a two-brained life together, trying to be of a single mind.
 
How is a man to know? Well–he *asks!! *It is called communication. If you meet someone you think you might want to marry and he or she is disappointed to find you ask direct questions instead of developing your mind-reading skills, keep moving.
Ah, but then we can’t do the 100% surprise proposal, can we?
 
Again, this is a matter of opinion. And trust me, all the people who were offended by it were too polite to tell you.

I can’t help think about the girl in the room with her boyfriend and she and her boyfriend discussed it and the boyfriend said ‘I am not sure you are the one for me I need more time’. Witnessing a public proposal where they have to be polite in public is akward for them.

I once dated a man who was anxious to marry and have kids. Every time someone announced an engagement or pregnancy, I could not congratulate them in front of him because the second we were alone, he would pressure me.

IMO public proposals are inconsiderate to the other people in the room
I know you have a special reason to dislike them, but the “public” will just have to live. The turn-down can happen at the altar, too. No one can possibly be more anxious to avoid an embarrassing scene than the parties directly involved. Those who are pleased or disappointed to see someone else raise the blinds of their life in public usually forget it soon enough, for better or worse.

The only exception is the “cookie” rule: don’t talk about things you are going to be enjoying in front of those you aren’t inviting to share it. I wouldn’t propose in front of the parish unless I planned to invite the parish to the wedding, and I wouldn’t bore people not being invited to my wedding, private party, or vacation with the details unless they have asked if they could please hear about it, anyway.

I did notice you said, “once dated”…that’s a good thing. Badgering others to get ones’ way is not a habit that can be expected to change as one gets older.
 
Depends, if I was witnessing a public proposal, I think I would be disgusted. Might not put the woman on the spot, but it should would but the public on the spot. Force to clap and cheer them on when I have better things to do.

I remember hearing about a French club were people gathered to practice their French. One girls boyfriend showed up and proposed in English. The whole evening was spent listening to him in English when several people came out to practice their French. Very rude of him
“When I have better things to do”? :eek: Wow! Clapping for a newly engaged couple really puts you out, doesn’t it? I can’t imagine being forced to endure something so “disgusting” (your word) as two people publicly declaring their intent to marry and then be expected to give 10 whole seconds of my life to clapping in congratulations. And oh my goodness think of the children!:eek: What will become of little ones who are forced to see this horrifying spectacle!?

C’mon, a public proposal wouldn’t have been my thing, but they are far from offensive.
 
Ah, but then we can’t do the 100% surprise proposal, can we?
Generally speaking, these things can be talked about in a theoretical sense. For instance, someone proposes at a ball game you both attend, and you say, “I think public proposals are wonderful/awful” or “I would be mortified if I got a marriage proposal that way. Absolutely mortified.” You don’t say, “don’t you do that” but rather “I wouldn’t want that.” You might say, “I think that is so cool. I’d love to propose like that some day.” That gives your date her chance to say, “That would mortify me” or “Yes, that would be very cool.”

Of course, she’s probably going to spend the next three months looking around every corner for a “surprise,” but if this is the general pattern of your communication she’ll start learning that you have a strategy of building a fat file on her likes and dislikes that you do not put to immediate use. That’s a strategy that helps make the decision to be an informed decision, when the question comes!

By the way, I have also enlisted friends to sleuth out this information. That makes it a great deal of fun, provided you have figured out that she isn’t going to be mad if someone else knows you might ask before you ask her.

(Why that would make her mad, I don’t know, since obviously a person will confer with many people before making a marriage proposal, but the more you know about someone the fewer times you will make a faux pas. Always remember: People are funny, and you get in a lot of trouble if you expect their emotions to make sense. No matter your strategy, you’ll be taking some chances.)
 
Again, this is a matter of opinion. And trust me, all the people who were offended by it were too polite to tell you.

I can’t help think about the girl in the room with her boyfriend and she and her boyfriend discussed it and the boyfriend said ‘I am not sure you are the one for me I need more time’. Witnessing a public proposal where they have to be polite in public is akward for them.

I once dated a man who was anxious to marry and have kids. Every time someone announced an engagement or pregnancy, I could not congratulate them in front of him because the second we were alone, he would pressure me.

IMO public proposals are inconsiderate to the other people in the room
Then we shouldn’t praise anyone – because other people might feel bad or inferior.

People in general shouldn’t announce an engagement, shouldn’t have weddings that they invite people to, because people that want to get married might feel bad.

People shouldn’t have awards ceremonies, or trophies, because people might feel bad.

This logic doesn’t work.
 
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