Ok, I’m out.
The intent of NFP is not to have sex without getting pregnant. The intent, if using NFP to avoid, is to abstain from sex on those days when getting pregnant is most likely. It really doesn’t matter what you do on the other days - sex/no sex.
If a good argument was all it took to convince someone, then we wouldn’t have had the fiasco in Washington D.C like we did for the debt ceiling debate. I think for you to assume its not a good argument because you have yet to be convinced is weak.
Yes but with NFP we have a talk about it every month with you to see if you would like us to throw a party when you are at the door. If you want a party, a party should be thrown and you should be welcomed in. The only reason a party isn’t happening is because you don’t want it to be happening.
Well, right now I’m dialoguing with you. I don’t know why, I was trying to be helpful. I’ve made lots of mistakes in my life, and in retrospect, I would have liked someone older with life experience guide me.
In that case, you are using NFP as a method to avoid bringing children into the world. This contrasts sharply with some of the Muslims in our neighborhood, who have six or seven children, and more on the way.
Catholics can throw their parties, but Muslims are having larger families while Catholics are celebrating at their NFP parties.
That’s why you don’t just start with NFP. A couple may resort to NFP if, and only if, they have prayerfully discerned a serious reason to postpone the birth of a child.
It is not a generalisation. It is a fact. Take a look at Europe and the statistics on how many children, on average, in a Muslim family versus a Catholic family. The Catholic NFP parties, (and if you add to that the widepread rejection of Catholic teaching on ABC) are resulting in smaller families for Catholics. That’s one reason why Muslims are beginning to be a greater influence in Europe today.
You are wrong lol. Muslims use contraception just as much as Americans do. Their birth rate is sitting in the 2.8 range I believe. Watch demographic winter. They are not doing any better than we are and are following right behind us towards a birth rate below 2. We are currently sitting a birth rate of around 2.2. They might have a little surge as you suggest in Europe but if they keep on the same trend as they have been they will be only a few years behind us.
Compare the birth rates in Muslim countries versus Catholic countries:
do you have a source? Also we need to make sure to realize the difference between birth rate and replacement rate. The life expectancies in many of those countries with high birth rates is much lower than that of Western countries. Replacement rate is what really matters in the big scheme of things. I think I messed this up as well in my last post where I should have said replacement rate. Most European countries are sitting at replacement rates of around 1.4 while the U.S is up at 2.2 still. The U.S would probably be at around 15-20 births/1000 population on your chart.
For the USA the latest current birth rate is 13.5/1000.
What does this have to do with the case against contraception? If anything it points to an overuse of NFP AND contraception.
True…it’s not ambiguous…we don’t have to rely on opinions based on opinions such as in the case of NFP and related issues.
I don’t want to get into that particular issue in this thread. But briefly, the wording is
I don’t call incoherent arguments common sense. It’s not a problem for some folks, though, because they start with a foregone conclusion and reasoning be damned.
Adding, with contraception:
So it is a case against both NFP and contraception, since the use of either one puts Catholics at a disadvantage to Muslims, who have a higher birth rate.
Well, it’s not a comptetition but I agree that both contraception and NFP are overused. NFP is a moral solution if a couple finds themselves in a serious position where they cannot have another child. Contraception is not.