The case of Cardinal George Pell

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I agree with all of this. Many hung juries go to retrial, but many do not. This one certainly had the stench of double jeopardy (not legally, but appearance if it).
Our trial by jury, unanimous guilt beyond reasonable doubt, system is not nearly as just as everyone thought in past generations. I have seen reports of up to 8% wrongly convicted in this country. Perhaps that is an exaggeration but half that much is a huge number. I have little faith in our justice system, it doesn’t seem like Australia’s is much different than ours.
 
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Freddy said:
Edit: Are you referring to the credibility of the complainant in Pell’s case? In which case, as fivelinden said, the defence had ample time to bring into question his credibility. I’d guess that a large part of tbe defence was based on that co sidering it was one person’s word against another.
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Any information about the complainant was seriously limited by the hidden identity clause. He didn’t even appear in the dock, only provided video testimony made from the first trial.
 
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Freddy:
Edit: Are you referring to the credibility of the complainant in Pell’s case? In which case, as fivelinden said, the defence had ample time to bring into question his credibility. I’d guess that a large part of tbe defence was based on that co sidering it was one person’s word against another.
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Any information about the complainant was seriously limited by the hidden identity clause. He didn’t even appear in the dock, only provided video testimony made from the first trial.
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“Reporters, Pell’s supporters and abuse survivors who had filled the small court for most of the trial did not see or hear the complainant’s two-and-a-half days of testimony and cross-examination by Richter, which was conducted by video link for the jury behind closed doors. It was later outlined to the court in comments by the prosecutor.” How Australian abuse victim’s 'powerful' testimony sank top Vatican official | Reuters
 
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Any information about the complainant was seriously limited by the hidden identity clause. He didn’t even appear in the dock, only provided video testimony made from the first trial.
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See Freddy’s comment and link.
 
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I call this between a rock and a hard place for the Vatican justice system
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On this we agree. I suspect that the result of the Vatican investigation will be the same regardless of the outcome of the criminal appeal. He will be given a life of prayer and penance and that will be it. Too many cardinals will think, even if they don’t say it, that it would be impossible for a Bishop to be alone and do this after a Sunday mass. This will be from their own experience of never being left alone in such circumstances.
 
tafan2 said:
I agree with all of this. Many hung juries go to retrial, but many do not. This one certainly had the stench of double jeopardy (not legally, but appearance if it).
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I know I do not know everything, but in my own experience, I have never know a hung jury trial being re-tried except when there were political connotations, that is, some need beyond justice to get that conviction.
 
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tafan2:
I agree with all of this. Many hung juries go to retrial, but many do not. This one certainly had the stench of double jeopardy (not legally, but appearance if it).
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I know I do not know everything, but in my own experience, I have never know a hung jury trial being re-tried except when there were political connotations, that is, some need beyond justice to get that conviction.
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And it’s not escaping notice here that the top cop Graham Ashton who instigated the ‘get Pell’ investigation, is now giving evidence in the police corruption trial involving Lawyer X. Ashton who is police commissioner has been involved with that sordid situation for a decade and a half or more. The Victorian police have had a long time corruption problem that seems to be entangled in the divisive catholic v masons mafia groupings.

 
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And it’s not escaping notice here that the top cop Graham Ashton who instigated the ‘get Pell’ investigation, is now giving evidence in the police corruption trial involving Lawyer X. Ashton who is police commissioner has been involved with that sordid situation for a decade and a half or more. The Victorian police have had a long time corruption problem that seems to be entangled in the divisive catholic v masons mafia groupings.
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Funny that Cardinal Pell’s defence did not raise this, should it be true.
 
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