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The Cathloic Church has had three people that that have been “immaculately conceived”
Can you name the three ?
 
I believe it’s four - Adam and Eve, Christ (the new Adam) and Mary (the new Eve).
 
LilyM said:
I believe it’s four - Adam and Eve, Christ (the new Adam) and Mary (the new Eve).
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At least as far as I know, Adam and Eve don’t count, they were created prior to original sin. Obviously this would mean they were created with out sin, but I think the term, certainly as applied to Mary, is suggestive that there was such a thing as original sin. As far as I know, dogmatically Mary’s status is “signular” among creatures at least.

Some in the early Church, beleived that Joseph was also Immaculatly Concived, but this was never a dogmatic teaching and I would guess never will be. It seems to be more in line with many other now rejected early Christian beliefs. Perhaps not so far as being considered “heretical”, but not taught, and as far as I know not accepted.

usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt2art3p2.shtml
Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, “full of grace” through God,134 was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854:
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The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin.135
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crazzeto said:
At least as far as I know, Adam and Eve don’t count, they were created prior to original sin. Obviously this would mean they were created with out sin, but I think the term, certainly as applied to Mary, is suggestive that there was such a thing as original sin. As far as I know, dogmatically Mary’s status is “signular” among creatures at least.

Some in the early Church, beleived that Joseph was also Immaculatly Concived, but this was never a dogmatic teaching and I would guess never will be. It seems to be more in line with many other now rejected early Christian beliefs. Perhaps not so far as being considered “heretical”, but not taught, and as far as I know not accepted.

usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt2art3p2.shtml
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I do not count Adam or Eve so you have two,missing one
 
Bill_Pick said:
I do not count Adam or Eve so you have two,missing one
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what two do you refer to? I don’t count Joseph because it was mearly an early Christian theory which has since died out (at least mostly), and Christ being God/Man isn’t counted in the same sense as Mary… Jesus wasn’t just born with a speacial Grace… Jesus was born God as well as man, he was born able to bestow Grace.
 
You’re not thinking of John the Baptist? He was filled with the Holy Spirit in Elizabeth’s womb, but that was six months after his conception, so he doesn’t count either. And there IS no-one else who has been taught by the Church to be immaculately conceived, not Joseph or anyone.
 
Bill_Pick said:
The Cathloic Church has had three people that that have been “immaculately conceived”
Can you name the three ?
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As previously mentioned - Adam and Even came before the fall of man

John the Baptist was not immaculately conceived but we do believe that as he jumped for joy in the womb of Elizabeth that he received the like grace in which we all receive in the sacrament of baptism.

And even Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior was not immaculately conceived for he was begotten …

So I know of only one teaching from the Catholic Church in regards to one being immaculately conceived?
 
The question cannot be answered because the question is wrong. The Church teaches that only the Virgin Mary was immaculately conceived.
 
jpjd said:
Ahhhh…born without sin is a slightly different situation than immaculately conceived.

In that case, we have Mary, Jesus, and…???
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I think It was you that point out my error,Thank you, I know some thing was wrong I just did not see it
 
John the Baptist was born without sin (as he was baptized in the womb), but it would be wrong to call him “immaculately conceived”.
 
Perhaps Enoch? If the wage of sin is death, and Enoch did not die, it could bu supposed that Enoch lived without sin…
 
CWBetts said:
Perhaps Enoch? If the wage of sin is death, and Enoch did not die, it could bu supposed that Enoch lived without sin…
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Doesn’t mean he (or Elijah) were born without sin though. So the third is definitely John the Baptist.
 
LilyM said:
Doesn’t mean he (or Elijah) were born without sin though. So the third is definitely John the Baptist.
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BINGO We have a winner in roll 2

Mary

Jesus

John the Baptist Luke 1 :15
 
Bill_Pick said:
BINGO We have a winner in roll 2

Mary

Jesus

John the Baptist Luke 1 :15
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You are wrong about John the Baptist. That he was without sin is specualtion, but is not taught definitively by the Church
 
CWBetts said:
You are wrong about John the Baptist. That he was without sin is specualtion, but is not taught definitively by the Church
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I would not go so far to say that he is wrong. The Church is silent on the subject as far as I know. So going by scripture, I would say Bill is correct and the teaching (unofficial) that John was born without sin is believed by many.
 
ricko said:
I would not go so far to say that he is wrong. The Church is silent on the subject as far as I know. So going by scripture, I would say Bill is correct and the teaching (unofficial) that John was born without sin is believed by many.
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Of course correct with in the context of the redefined context of “born with out sin”, rather than “immaculate conception”.
 
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