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MrS
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I realize that only Scripture is your sole rule of faith… right…
If so, why not just take the word of the Church through which you received the 73 books of the Bible.
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If so, why not just take the word of the Church through which you received the 73 books of the Bible.
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MrS
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You are quite right that the old covenants no longer apply with the coming of Jesus Christ. And in the NT the word covenant is only used one time… it replaces and fulfills all the old.
We will remember the old at the Seder tonight. But we live the New Covenant at every Catholic Mass as we re-present God’s greatest gift to man… Himself.
And those who are able to repent, must repent. We seem to lose sight or understanding of the idioms of the Scriptures.
those who can work, must work… or not be fed
those who can repent, must repent… or not be forgiven etc.
Thus infants, infirmed, mentally disabled, etc are given to the mercy of God… not condemned because they are unable to repent,
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guanophore
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Indeed, I am not worthy in any manner of the graces of God. However, what I have written is the true teaching of the Catholic Church.
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Grace_Seeker
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This is my opnion too, and for the same reasons you gave. But it appears that I am just making an assumption that all Christians are automatically a part of Christ’s Church. I think I am finding some here who would argue that only the Catholic Church is the Church, and that others may be Christians but are not part of the Church. I’m not sure that is their argument. It seems to be a pretty big elephant I’ve stumbled on and I’m just going to try to digest it all one bite at a time.
(Got a feeling over time, that I may also get some contradictory answers from our Catholic friends here as well – not sure I’m considered a brother by all or I would have said our Catholic brothers and sisters – but that is something for Catholics to deal with internally I suppose.)
There is no doubt that there are many little groups running around that are trying to be exclusive. However, my denomination, the United Methodist Church, is not among them. We will accept the baptism of any Christian body as valid. (In the interests of full disclosure, for myself, I would have to question Mormon baptism as to whether it was truly Christian or not.) We baptized by any of three methods: immersion, sprinkling (with the laying on of hands), and pouring. and believe there is biblical precedent for each of these. We also baptize both infants and adults. If an adult comes to me who was baptized as an infant and has had some recent spiritual experience and wants to be baptized again, I explain that we do not do re-baptisms. We do not believe in rebaptism, or that anyone can even be baptized a second time, even if some other church performs it. I would, however, from a pastoral persepctive, be glad to re-enact their original baptism as a time of remembrance, not re-doing, of that previous experience.
To be a member of the local congregation one must be baptized. We believe all baptized persons are members of God’s catholic (meaning universal) Church
Maybe you can explain to me what are some of the differnces that you see in the moral teachings of the see?
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Grace_Seeker
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See my above answer:
I think that anyone who accepts Christ, is automatically, by Christ himself, made a member of Christ’s Church, the one he founded in Matthew 16. If some present day organization sees themselves as the true inheritors of that Church (and many do see themselves that way) and also accepts this person into their membership really isn’t relevant. The truth is that all persons baptized into Christ, all persons confessing Christ are members of the body of Christ, neither you nor I nor any earthly organization, nor any group of missionaries get to decide that, only Christ does and he already has given a big “yes” to all such persons – that is what baptism is all about, God’s “yes” to humankind.
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sterryfamily
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The Catholic Church, which Christ established for all of us, is not an “earthly organization”. Christ rules as its’ head from His throne in Heaven. He rules over the entire Church; the Church Triumphant in Heaven, the Church Suffering in Purgatory, and by the guidance of His Holy Spirit (of which He gave His eternal promise to us) through His chosen leaders - the apostles and their successors, the Church Militant here on Earth.
This was the understanding of the early Christians. This was the understanding of the Early Church Fathers. This has been the consistently held belief of ALL Christians throughout history until men, in recent times, decided they wanted to make up their own religions.
“Any who reject you reject me and the One who sent me”.
“Anyone who preaches a different Gospel…let him be anathema”
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jmcrae
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Everyone alive.
What is your definition of “believeth in Me”?
If someone has a personal relationship with Christ in prayer, having discovered Him within his or her own heart, but has never heard His name spoken aloud, is he or she any less a believer than someone who goes to Sunday School twice a week and knows all the answers to the Catechism?
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believers
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Now lets put it in context.
Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Anyone who believes in Jesus Christ and repents is a Christian. How does one join the Roman Catholic church?
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believers
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Your Church didn’t give us the bible… God did. Would you like to know why I subscribe to only 66 books in the bible?
Let’s see what God has to say about that.
Rom 3:1-2
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit [is there] of circumcision?
Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
Luk 24:44
And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.
Jesus said “psalms” not writing.
Luk 11:51
From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.
The traditional Jewish canon was divided into three sections (Law, Prophets, Writings), and an unusual feature of the last section was the listing of Chronicles out of historical order, placing it after Ezra-Nehemiah and making it the last book of the canon. In light of this, the words of Jesus in Luke 11:50-51 reflect the settled character of the Jewish canon (with its peculiar order) already in his day. Christ uses the expression “from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah,” which appears troublesome since Zechariah was not chronologically the last martyr mentioned in the Bible (Jer. 26:20-23). However, Zechariah is the last martyr we read of in the Old Testament according to Jewish canonical order (II Chron. 24:20-22), which was apparently recognized by Jesus and his hearers.
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DobleGG
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Gosh, how did this thread go from denomination to the canon of scripture. Like I said before, these differences can go round and round and round… It all goes back to whether or not one accepts the authoritative teaching of the church as it was entrusted by our Lord Jesus Christ to his Church. All other topics are mere off shoots of this basic principle.
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MrS
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Sounds Catholic to me
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believers
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Oh ok… The Catholic Church is just another denomination.Gosh, how did this thread go from denomination to the canon of scripture. Like I said before, these differences can go round and round and round… It all goes back to whether or not one accepts the authoritative teaching of the church as it was entrusted by our Lord Jesus Christ to his Church. All other topics are mere off shoots of this basic principle.
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MrS
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1 Peter… “…baptism now saves you…”
Gee, hope your young child, or someone you know without mental reasoning never dies…
It would be so stressful in your life to “know” they were never saved.
Would you be so kind as to give me a biblical reference for the statement that we “…must be form again of the spirit…”
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MrS
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“… and upon this rock, I will build just another denomination… and the gates of hell might prevail against it…”
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MrS
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why don’t you back up a few verses and see that Peter is talking about water.- H2O
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jmcrae
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By Baptism and profession of Christian faith, after a suitable period of instruction.
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believers
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Exactly, that’s not what the bible says. It says whosoever believes and repents shall be saved. Not whosoever gets water baptized and suitable instruction shall be saved.
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