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MrS
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And on this matter, the final Authority is the Church (now that’s Scriptural… “…and if he still refuses to listen, take it to the Church… and if still… let him be anethema…” )
There was only one Church then… it is was not yours. It was first called The Way, and those in it were referred to as Christians… a d eventually the Church was referred to as Catholic (Ignations, 100AD)
Yours is at best a faith community, as there is but One Church, the one founded by Jesus on Peter the Rock (not Paul).
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Many books claim to be inspired. Why do you think the bible is correct?
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MrS
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My hope is in the Lord and accepting everything as Grace… even discussing your erroneous presentation of His Word.
Protestants hope is too often in their own choosing of Jesus as personal Lord and Savior…
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MrS
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My COPY of the Bible is approved by the Church … the same Church through wihich the Holy Spirit delevered the Word.
My copy is not the KJV or the New World, or other such “easy-to-read” attempts to distort God’s Word.
But then it all really comess down to who has the authority to interpret.
It ain’t me… as it sure ain’t you.
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Iowa_Mike
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I replied as I did for a whole host of reasons. As a Catholic I am called to the truth of Christ’s Church as defined by its doctrines, teachings and traditions. In Carol’s threads and posts she as expressed disbelief in many of the core beliefs of the Church and she has done so with passion. To name a few…
She does not believe in transubstantiation based upon the ‘immutable laws of nature’. Obviously, the laws of nature are suspended whenever a miracle takes place; the resurrection of Christ, when Jesus healed the sick, raised the dead etc. I can only assume that either Carol does not believe in miracles.
She does not believe in the ‘oral tradition’ of the Church (see her response’s to posts on the thread, “Transubstantiation is a device of Man”.)
She does not believe in the ‘inerrancy of the bible’.
She does not believe that the Catholic Church is the One True Universal Catholic and Apostolic Church…it’s just another denomination in her opinion. In this thread she opined, “I find the discussion of which denomination is ‘better’ (which is not the title of the thread) dry and dusty” and went on to suggest that, "proselytizing has no place on the Forum, as I understand it, but there seems to be an insistence among RCC brothers and sisters that the errant sheep must be gathered into the fold of the One True Faith. Unless I’m missing her point, is she not suggesting that forum Catholics are breaking the rules? This is from a person who has presented herself as two different people on this forum and, in some cases, has used one persona to defend the other. What Carol characterizes as proselytizing is actually the discussion of core Catholic beliefs…by participating Catholics…on a Catholic forum.
Many times questions posed to Carol go unanswered or she responds to them based only in the context of her individual and personal beliefs…e.g., on one occasion when responding to post with a scripture reference that conflicted with her position she simply pointed out that ‘she didn’t trust anything handed down orally’.
Carol is investigating the Catholic faith but has not embraced many, many of its beliefs…that is why I believe she has a long way to go and why I responded the way I did. It appears to me that Carol wants to join the RCC only if she can reshape it in the image of her personal beliefs.
I offer these comments with the best of intentions. I urge Carol to remain in the forum and join the discussions with an open heart.
Iowa Mike
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MrS
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will your faith community let you read ACTS… a vibrant history of the early Catholic Church??
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nerfherder
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Hardly. None of this proves the scriptures are the sole authority. Your final dramatic riposte is incorrect in that hating reproof has nothing to do with the sole authority or otherwise of the scriptures.
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MrS
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makes you wonder what he/she really believes in …
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believers
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First, I believe that Jesus is the Son of God. He is the cornerstone of the foundation of my faith.
Why do I believe the OT of the Bible? Because of what Jesus said…
Luk 24:44
And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.
Luk 11:51
From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation
Jesus set the Old Testament Canon. The rest is easy… I believe the Gospels. I believe Paul was commissioned. I believe Paul’s epistles.
Rom 3:1-2
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit [is there] of circumcision?
Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
Paul said the Jews have the Oracles of God. If you take a look at the Jewish bible, it contains the exact same books as the Old Testament that I believe in.
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believers
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Just like Jesus said…
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who paid for my sins on the cross with His blood. I believe that He resurrected by the power of God. I believe that I MUST repent of my sins to be baptized with the Holy Spirit. I believe I’m saved and going to heaven according to the promise of God.
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believers
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It’s not proof to you because you don’t believe it. He that hateth reproof shall die. I’m always open to reproof. BUT only by the Word of God. So, correct me with the Word of God only. Not by mere words of philosophy.
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jmcrae
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This is talking about the words of Jesus. Most of the New Testament had not yet been written.
This is speaking about the 46 books of the Old Testament - Protestants reject 7 of those books.
This is talking about parental instruction, and instruction from teachers.
This is also referring to parental instruction.
We say, “Believe Jesus Christ, or go to Hell.”
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fix
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Great, now how does that prove the bible is inspired, or that the books in the bible are the only inspired books, or that your one interpretation is the correct one?
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believers
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Enough with words. Prove yourself with the Word of God. I already know you don’t use scripture so maybe someone else can help you.
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