"The Catholic Church is wrong"

[fbl9]

Are you so deluded to believe that every non-catholic church is in the same group? If you are so bothered by rapes of innocent children by your priest and bishops and cardinals, then take it up with those who can do something about it. Don’t pretend I am affiliated with false Christians who have done horrible acts. I stand opposed to any and all mistreatment of children.
HankZ

no pretending necessary bud,you believe the same errors they teach therefore you are the same…any priest that does these things without repenting of them is not my priest.

 

[Jimmy_B]

…I stand opposed to any and all mistreatment of children.
HankZ

So do I! And so do all the Catholics I know! And so does the Roman Catholic Church and the Catholic Pope!

So… what is the point of your comment here, are you implying that there is a single Catholic here, who doesn’t agree with you on this point?

I think you are confusing official Church doctrine, of any given religion or denomination with those members who may violate the rules and beliefs found in their denomination; and those who have violated the law, both man’s and Gods, thereby betraying Christ and their faith.

Can I take your comments to mean that you actually believe that all one billion Catholics and the Roman Catholic Church and the Pope condoned those horrible acts, or was your intention here to offend all Roman Catholics and change the subject because you don’t have anything else better to say.

The Roman Catholic Church and Roman Catholics worldwide were sickened by those things, which occurred in the Church, in the United States, and have not and will not ever condone such behavior.

There exist no organization on earth, in private industry or any government as old as the Catholic Church, (2000 years.) which also has one billion members worldwide.

Statically, there is not a single organization around today with a better record, overall…not even close!

I don’t know about you HankZ, I am a Roman Catholic, do you also lump me into your comments?

I hope not.

 

[Matariel]

This is a false claim. How could there have been 3 popes at one time, yet they were all true popes and they excomunicated the other 2.

Where did you get your information? That’s incorrect. There can only be one Pope at a time. In the Western Schism, Boniface was the true Pope; the others were false claimants, and are, of course, not recongnized as Popes by the Church.

What you retain is retained, right? All 3 are listed in the records as true popes. Where is the lineage of those 3.

Um, no. Only Boniface was the true Pope; there cannot be more than one Pope at a time.

How about the wars they would have and kill, just to be pope. It was a very powerful position and you had to be ready to kill for it.

That hardly ever happened in the Church. I can only think of a couple incidences-- in 2,000 years of people coming and going. And, what does that have to do with Christ’s promises? He never guarranteed that people wouldn’t behave badly and maltreat the Holy Chair of St. Peter, and a few certainly did. But the overwhelming majority have been good-to-saintly men.

That doesn’t sound like the church Christ founded. He died for us, not killed so he could control us.

He built his Church on St. Peter, the first universal bishop (or “Pope” as they are called today) and promised that the gates of Hell would never prevail against His Church, and St. Paul states in Timothy that the Catholic Church is the pillar and foundation of truth.

 

[sambos671]

Where did you get your information? That’s incorrect. There can only be one Pope at a time. In the Western Schism, Boniface was the true Pope; the others were false claimants, and are, of course, not recongnized as Popes by the Church.

Um, no. Only Boniface was the true Pope; there cannot be more than one Pope at a time.

That hardly ever happened in the Church. I can only think of a couple incidences-- in 2,000 years of people coming and going. And, what does that have to do with Christ’s promises? He never guarranteed that people wouldn’t behave badly and maltreat the Holy Chair of St. Peter, and a few certainly did. But the overwhelming majority have been good-to-saintly men.

He built his Church on St. Peter, the first universal bishop (or “Pope” as they are called today) and promised that the gates of Hell would never prevail against His Church, and St. Paul states in Timothy that the Catholic Church is the pillar and foundation of truth.

Yeah that sounds right Boniface. Like I said it has been awhile since I looked at it.

 

[guanophore]

The protestants know that there is individual interpretations. They have knowledge as to what they are doing…Catholics place their faith in this to the point where there can and is (in their minds) only one answer, one interpretation and one truth. The system is flawed (as seen when choosing the Pope) but they ignore that and just keep on believing that it’s perfectly accurate and right every time.

Did you read about the popes that have been chosen in the past? They are the most corrupt people you’d ever wanna read about.

People’s corruption does not mean that God’s calling is somehow corrupt. If this were true, we would have to say that Jesus’ method of choosing Apostles is “flawed”. After all, He chose Judas, who betrayed Him, and Peter, who denied Him, and all of them fled, leaving Him alone. It is not the choosing by God that is flawed, but the character of man. We can choose to be conformed to His will, or fall into sin. Failure to live a life worthy of the calling to which we have been called does not mean that the calling is flawed.

 

[guanophore]

I am catholic, & I believe in God, But I am not sure about anything else. I am not sure if we even have the true version of the Bible

Then you are not really Catholic, are you?

 

[Methodi]

Then you are not really Catholic, are you?

Baptised Catholic, attend church regularly,
receive the Eucharist, only if reconciled, but still have some doubts about some of the rules of the church.But I Know Jesus loves me as I am So My Priest tells me

 

[Cinette]

What is even worse is that the priest after being caught, were not punished, but given fresh children to rape. The vatican had a rule that the priest had to be rotated as to not cause the church any damage. As for the other preachers, I cannot see why they aren’t prosecuted, oh wait, they were. The priest walked away free and clear. They will face a much harder punishment on another day though.
HankZ

*Luke 12:47-48
“That slave who knew what his master’s wanted, but did not prepare himself to do what was wanted will receive a serious beating. 48 But the one who did not knowand did what deserved a beating will receive a light beating. From anyone to whom much has been given much will be required; and from the one to whom much has been entrusted, even more will be demanded.” *

*I think the abuse was horrendous and I am glad that the Vatican has taken strong measures to ensure such a thing doesn’t happen again.

For every priest who committed such atrocities there are hundreds of good holy men who sacrifice themselves for the flock. The Catholic Church has no monopoly on such abuse - it goes on in other churches, schools, camps, everywhere and is a side effect of our pernicious and immoral society. *

 

[HankZ]

I’m not sure what you’re asking but if I attempt to guess I would say that the RCC believes that the Church teaching is not seperate or over the teaching of the scripture but each compliment the other for a more full understanding. So God inspired both the Church and the Scriptures. I have a question for you. Tell me of a doctrine that the church as with regard to morals that is not consistent with what the apostles taught.

Pray to the dead.

That Mary has not died.

Call no man father.

All food is clean(meat is not to be consumed on Fridays in lent.)

 

[Cinette]

The protestants know that there is individual interpretations. They have knowledge as to what they are doing…Catholics place their faith in this to the point where there can and is (in their minds) only one answer, one interpretation and one truth. The system is flawed (as seen when choosing the Pope) but they ignore that and just keep on believing that it’s perfectly accurate and right every time.

Did you read about the popes that have been chosen in the past? They are the most corrupt people you’d ever wanna read about.

Look at our current Pope. He is a most magnificent, noble, gentle, wonderful man. He is a huge intellectual and totally, totally dedicated. He is a teacher and a master. Just the Pope for our times.

Look at JP II - what wonderful work! what a legacy!

These are precious gifts from God and you are too blind to see.

STOP - rub your eyes, take out the planks, empty your mind. from all the hatred and resentment. Clear yourself! Then take another look!

 

[Cinette]

I am catholic, & I believe in God, But I am not sure about anything else. I am not sure if we even have the true version of the Bible

You have a lot to learn. And you will! Because you are honest enough to admit your lack of knowledge. You are here. You listen.

 

[sambos671]

Pray to the dead.

That Mary has not died.

Call no man father.

All food is clean(meat is not to be consumed on Fridays in lent.)

These are not moral issues. As far as lent it says to pray and fast. Lent is about discipline. Not saying that food is unclean. It is a devotion.

 

[HankZ]

People’s corruption does not mean that God’s calling is somehow corrupt. If this were true, we would have to say that Jesus’ method of choosing Apostles is “flawed”. After all, He chose Judas, who betrayed Him, and Peter, who denied Him, and all of them fled, leaving Him alone. It is not the choosing by God that is flawed, but the character of man. We can choose to be conformed to His will, or fall into sin. Failure to live a life worthy of the calling to which we have been called does not mean that the calling is flawed.

This is not catholic teaching. They do not make mistakes because God is working through the Holy Spirit in all decisions made by the Catholic church. The church is incapable of making mistakes in all papal matters. Do you question the churche’s view on this topic?

 

[Cinette]

I thought I did a good job explaining the catholic view of infallibility. Infallibility only relates to perscribed teaching not that the man is perfect or beyond critism.

And the first part of your statement isn’t quite true. You can have a personal interpretation of scripture as long as it doesn’t conflict with the churches teaching. Ie a passage may mean something to you because of a personal issue. You can take it that way. But you can’t take it in such a way as to conflict with the doctrines of the church. Ie God says Homosexuality is ok because I’m commanded to love my neighbor as myself and I’m supposed to greet other men with a brotherly kiss and David loved Jonathan. Those verses cannot be taken that way because it’s not only in conflict with scripture but established church teaching with regards to human sexuality. Where as a protestant could take it that way if they were so inclined.

My husband kissed his Father goodnight even when he was a grown man. Does that mean anything other than he was a loving son?

Maaaannnnn! :hypno: :whacky: :doh2: :doh2:

 

[sambos671]

This is not catholic teaching. They do not make mistakes because God is working through the Holy Spirit in all decisions made by the Catholic church. The church is incapable of making mistakes in all papal matters. Do you question the churche’s view on this topic?

“in all papal matters?” I don’t think you understand what you’re saying.

 

[sambos671]

My husband kissed his Father goodnight even when he was a grown man. Does that mean anything other than he was a loving son?

Maaaannnnn! :hypno: :whacky: :doh2: :doh2:

Don’t read more into it that it was. It is an example (and yes people have used verses this way)

 

[HankZ]

I am catholic, & I believe in God, But I am not sure about anything else. I am not sure if we even have the true version of the Bible

The bible is the bible, with exception of some words and the Catholic church has added some books as well as extended some others. Over all, they are only slightly different. The message is the very much the same. Read all you can and the Lord will help you understand His message to you. He can open your eyes to see the truth.
HankZ

 

[HankZ]

“in all papal matters?” I don’t think you understand what you’re saying.

Isn’t that the point. They make it so confusing that no one can understand it and you have to blindly follow them?

 

[sambos671]

The bible is the bible, with exception of some words and the Catholic church has added some books as well as extended some others. Over all, they are only slightly different. The message is the very much the same. Read all you can and the Lord will help you understand His message to you. He can open your eyes to see the truth.
HankZ

Did you know the apocryphal books were used long before canon was set? Clement in 90 AD refers to Judith. The book of Hebrews refers to 2 Maccabees. Athenasius is the first to list the books we know as the NT 230 AD. So, I wouldn’t say the Catholic church added anything. These books were referred to in the NT as well as the Early Church Fathers. I think you can say protestants took them out. Luther wanted not only to get rid of the Deuterocanonical books but also the book of James. The first protestant bibles to exclude these DC was in the 1800s.

 

[HankZ]

These are not moral issues. As far as lent it says to pray and fast. Lent is about discipline. Not saying that food is unclean. It is a devotion.

Praying to the dead is a moral issue.

Believing that Mary did not die and is able to help you work out you salvationis a moral issue.

Consumming alchohol and gambling are moral issues that are used as fundraisers within the church.