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based on God’s word??how do you even have a clue as to what is God’s word.Just prove that the book you call Holy is God’s word…prove it…without the history of the Church being involved…
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That’s what I thought…you cant back it up.As a Protestant, if you don’t know what your own Reformer’s changed, what’s the point? You then don’t even know why you are “protesting” the Catholic church…good grief…
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avenger what was Christ’s purpose in calling St. Peter a rock in the first place…or Christ telling St. Peter " feed my sheep" three times, none the less??
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What was His purpose in calling James and John 'sons of thunder"? And why, when He took disciples apart, it was the THREE of them, not just Peter?
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perhaps you read my post wrong i asked you the purpose of caling St.Peter a rock,you don’t have the answer so you come up with this…Jesus never called the brothers the son’s of thunder the Gospel writer did.
.took the diciples apart,did He put them back together?
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He also referred to a rock foundation in a parable, the Greek being petra. Again, you dont know why He called Peter rock, the same as you dont know why the others were sons of thunder.
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Huh?
I am asking you what are you protesting from the Catholic church? Back what up?
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Originally Posted by avenger View PostHuh?
Go ahead, show me where Luther wrote his own. Your not going to use Rheims are you? You know, the one based on Jerome’s Vulgate, and not the original languages.
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How come as a **P-r-o-t-e-s-t-**ant, you do not know why and what Luther protested? This was the start of your Protestanism. He was the father of all Reformers, yet you do not know what he did…typical.
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Quoting bits of the Bible out of context is dry stuff. When you factor in personal interpretation, of a translation of a translation, you can get lost quite easily.
That’s why Catholics have a backup in our Tradition and in the occasional saint the Church throws up. Add in the Sacraments and Indulgences, icons and statues and devotions, priests and nuns and bishops and you have to be very wilful to avoid going to Heaven, with all that help available to push you up the mountain.
And what help is a book, if a man can’t read? Or he says to you, as a previous poster has said “Prove what you’ve said is the word of God”.
Early Christian saints, and later Catholic ones, did miracles. Can’t beat that for bringing in lost souls.
By comparison, Protestantism and Islam are spiritual deserts. It’s as if they’ve both decided to throw away the oars of their boats, expecting the current to bring them into shore.
That’s why Catholics have a backup in our Tradition and in the occasional saint the Church throws up. Add in the Sacraments and Indulgences, icons and statues and devotions, priests and nuns and bishops and you have to be very wilful to avoid going to Heaven, with all that help available to push you up the mountain.
And what help is a book, if a man can’t read? Or he says to you, as a previous poster has said “Prove what you’ve said is the word of God”.
Early Christian saints, and later Catholic ones, did miracles. Can’t beat that for bringing in lost souls.
By comparison, Protestantism and Islam are spiritual deserts. It’s as if they’ve both decided to throw away the oars of their boats, expecting the current to bring them into shore.
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“Early Christian saints, and later Catholic ones”
So, they WERE Christian before being Catholic! THANK YOU!
From what avenger has said, he/she isn’t Lutheran, and probably couldn’t care less what Luther said, did, or thought. In fact, my guess is he/she probably would disavow Luther’s stance on the real presence and other things considered by many protestants as being “too Catholic”. I might be wrong. It is just a guess on what I’ve seen him/her write.
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why can’t you asnwer the question given to you? why did Jesus call St.Peter rock???i asked you first so tell me…again Christ did not give the name son’s of thunder to the brothers rather the writter of the gospel did…read what is put to you then answer the questions before going off on some tangent that is only going to show you don’t know the answer to the question given to you…
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They were always Catholic, but there was no rea;l need for the label untilf heresies started popping up. So now you are claiming a semantic issue as a victory. 
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Thank you Jon…I thought it was me…at least you have been actually reading what I write. They are too busy with personal attacks to care what I write.
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OneTrueCathApos
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Avenger, you are a young man, very young. You don’t understand Catholicism because you never learned your history. So stop trying to discredit the church Christ established, you only look like a fool.
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OneTrueCathApos
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You may say they are personal attacks because you cannot take it, but they are defending the church which also defends Jesus Christ.
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uh oh. you arent starting to be mean now, are you???They were always Catholic, but there was no rea;l need for the label untilf heresies started popping up. So now you are claiming a semantic issue as a victory.
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Oh I can take it just fine brother… and again you equate a man-made institution with Christ…borders on blasphemy.
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