"The Catholic Church is wrong"

[ChristianKnight]

No one condemn you being white, a farmer, a Confederate, or a philosopher. Catholics here only condemned the liberal and erroneous doctrines of Sola Scriptura.

Are you sure?

Well, what’s wrong with working on a farm? That is very productive if not to say very hard work. Please tell me why you would not be liked where you live, I am confused.

I love working on farms, done it all my life, I was saying that’d be a reason I’d run away. I told my parents if they ever moved us to a city limit I’d run away, and they know I mean it. So after I join up, they are moving to Florida.

 

[ChristianKnight]

Really does it include dividing Church and Jesus Christ. ChristKnight have said the following:

Answer these Questions:

1. Where in the Bible does it say we do not need the Church?
2. Does the Bible say that the Church is the Bride of Christ?
3. Did Jesus say that if any man sin against and you try to correct him, and if he does not listen, the Lord said, “take it to the Church?”

Second point, there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ, who adhere to the Ten Commandments and are obedient to Jesus Christ commandment. If you live outside the Ten Commandments, a Christian is condemned.

I would also like to say that just because a Christian becomes born again and believes in OSAS and thinks he can freely live in sinful life because Jesus Christ did it all, he can justify his actions.

My friend, a saved Christian can fall back into sin even if he is saved. When he does fall, he needs to repent, confess his sins and re-establish his relationship with God.

Someone who claims that he does not need a Church and worship in a Church just because he has a the Bible, contradict all this.

The Ten Commandments requires us to “Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.” For Christians, this means worship on Sunday. To avoid going to worship as a Christian is breaking the Commandment given to us by Jesus Christ.

These are Commandments NOT the Ten Suggestions. It does not imply that “I don’t feel like going to Service today I think I’ll stay at home.” This makes a Christian a hyprocrite if he does not go to Church on Sunday.

ChristianKnight maybe a “Christian” but he is a hyprocrite by disobeying one of the Ten Commandments.

I don’t know.
I don’t know.
I don’t know.
(PLEASE: tell me where it says them things, cause I’d like to know to be honest)

I’ve only read so far: Acts (Rolltide told me its a good spot), Kings I, and Genesis.

OSAS?

lol? He didn’t say go to church to worship. I can worship in my house, just as easy as you can go to Mass, believe it or not.

And you may be arrogant for saying Protestants cause Homosexuality…

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

I don’t know.
I don’t know.
I don’t know.
(PLEASE: tell me where it says them things, cause I’d like to know to be honest)

I’ve only read so far: Acts (Rolltide told me its a good spot), Kings I, and Genesis.

OSAS?

lol? He didn’t say go to church to worship. I can worship in my house, just as easy as you can go to Mass, believe it or not.

And you may be arrogant for saying Protestants cause Homosexuality…

ChristianKnight, everything you are saying sounds so easy, doesn’t it? Did Jesus say it would not be easy to enter the Kingdom of heaven? Did he not give us the Ten Commandments and to keep the Sabbath Holy? Our church is not that easy and that is why I love it. I feel like I really have to work at my faith and doing so I am working toward my salvation, because for us Catholics, salvation starts at birth with Baptism. So anyone can do anything, that is why there are so many divisions because like you say, you don’t really have to do anything and you’ll be fine in God’s eyes. It really isn’t that easy.

 

[Mannyfit75]

I don’t know.
I don’t know.
I don’t know.
(PLEASE: tell me where it says them things, cause I’d like to know to be honest)

I’ve only read so far: Acts (Rolltide told me its a good spot), Kings I, and Genesis.

OSAS?

OSAS=Once Saved Always Saved. The doctrine that once you accept Jesus in your heart, you don’t have to worry about sinning. This eternal security claims that nothing can separate you from God again.

I like to note that not all Protestants believe in OSAS.

lol? He didn’t say go to church to worship. I can worship in my house, just as easy as you can go to Mass, believe it or not.

And you may be arrogant for saying Protestants cause Homosexuality…

First, I never say Protestants started homosexuality. I believe the doctrine of Sola Scriptura can have some Christian misinterpret passages in Scripture and says homosexuality is ok.

There have been Protestant ministers who do not think homosexual acts is sinful.

Keep the sabbath include sunday worship. If you read the Gospels after the resurrection, the Apostles gather on the first day of the week in the reading, and breaking of the Bread. Early Church Father have said that “Breaking of the Bread” is one of the terms for receiving Communion.

 

[ChristianKnight]

OSAS=Once Saved Always Saved. The doctrine that once you accept Jesus in your heart, you don’t have to worry about sinning. This eternal security claims that nothing can separate you from God again.

I like to note that not all Protestants believe in OSAS.

lol? He didn’t say go to church to worship. I can worship in my house, just as easy as you can go to Mass, believe it or not.

And you may be arrogant for saying Protestants cause Homosexuality…

First, I never say Protestants started homosexuality. I believe the doctrine of Sola Scriptura can have some Christian misinterpret passages in Scripture and says homosexuality is ok.

There have been Protestant ministers who do not think homosexual acts is sinful.

Keep the sabbath include sunday worship. If you read the Gospels after the resurrection, the Apostles gather on the first day of the week in the reading, and breaking of the Bread. Early Church Father have said that “Breaking of the Bread” is one of the terms for receiving Communion.

Read my signature please.

And their is WestBoro who go went to a gay soldier’s funerals and cursed them out…

Yes, I can keep it holy, by worshipping and not working on sunday’s.

ChristianKnight, everything you are saying sounds so easy, doesn’t it? Did Jesus say it would not be easy to enter the Kingdom of heaven? Did he not give us the Ten Commandments and to keep the Sabbath Holy? Our church is not that easy and that is why I love it. I feel like I really have to work at my faith and doing so I am working toward my salvation, because for us Catholics, salvation starts at birth with Baptism. So anyone can do anything, that is why there are so many divisions because like you say, you don’t really have to do anything and you’ll be fine in God’s eyes. It really isn’t that easy.

Um, I don’t get it. When did I say that?

 

[Glor]

I am proud to say that I am Roman Catholic. Always was and always will be 4ever.
I have come across many who have critizied my faith, even Catholics who feel that if anything is acceptable in the world, then it must be okay to do.

Actually, I take into consideraition that the faith has NOT benn taught altogether correctly since the late 1960’s. Let’s face it, since Vatican !!, little by little, Priests are changing words in the Mass that change the whole Mass One Church in my area, the Priest does not pray the Creed at Sunday Mass he has replaced it with a Stewardship prayer. I mentioned it to him one Sunday, he dropped my hand and offered no reason.
So, the reason for the confusion primarily is in the Church itself…

Many of these reasons have led to the watering down of the true Faith.
Fortunately, I received my Catholic knowledge from nuns in a Catholic school for 12 years, and parents who were very religious.
(Early 40’s and '50’s)
I need to also admit that when Vatican 11 came into play, I thought it was great, that this would bring Protestants and Catholics together. But, when Mother Angelica began EWTN, I watched her without fail and realized how wrong Vatican 11 was and how it failed it’s original intent, instead, we had the Protestants attacking us more and more.
FYI, there were Protestant Ministers who were involved with Vatican 11, no surprise then, that our songs became like theirs, that our Masses became almost like theirs, except for the Holy Eucharist, which I hold dearest to my heart in hopes that soon, we will have our most Traditional Masses again, all in One voiice, One language, LATIN.

 

[onenow1]

lol? He didn’t say go to church to worship. I can worship in my house, just as easy as you can go to Mass, believe it or not.

Satans’ Master Plan…

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THE MASTER PLAN OF THE DEVIL. THE DEVELOPMENT OF MODERN ERRORS…

For approximately seventeen centuries men acknowledged that authority comes only from God, and temporal rulers sought the approval and the blessing of their bishops who, by divine right, ruled in their dioceses as successors of the Apostles. Then came the Philosophists. As always, the Power of Darkness used pride to achieve his aims, the pride of human reason. As always he called the Light, Darkness and the Darkness, Light (Isaiah 5:20). That is why the Medieval times are now referred to as the “Dark Ages”; (in fact, the Dark Ages were pre-Medieval), and why Philosophism is referred to as “Enlightenment”.

As always, the Devil acted with subtlety: he did not bring in Communism immediately, he brought in Modern Democracy first, knowing that the one would lead to the other. The lures inherent in the first would more easily lead to the destruction of man by the second. The Devil acted with cunning. So shrewd is he that even Christians were deceived. To make a thorough job of it he instilled into modern minds the myth of historical inevitability. “We must march with the times” we are told, as if the times were not what we are making them!

A SUBTLE AND GRADUAL PROCESS…

The present state of the world is not due to chance, it is the outcome of the everlasting struggle between good and evil. The Devil knows that his fight against God has to be gradual if it is to have any chance of success. Therefore, he began his fight in the 16th century by dividing Christianity.

When the first battle had been won, the Devil moved from the religious field into the philosophical field, and conceived Rationalism, which put human reason before Revelation.
Christians being already divided, there was no single front to defend the primacy of Divine Revelation.

The interpretation of Divine Revelation being divided against itself, it could not resist the claim of the so-called primacy of human reason. Human reason appeared more reliable, and so the new philosophy installed itself. It naturally followed that man began to think about an earthly paradise.

Hence Rationalism begot Human Messianism (i.e. Humanism). It was then logical that man should not want to be impeded by standards of moral conduct. He had to be free from all restraints, and his reason alone was going to tell him how to act and behave.

Thus came into being the doctrine of Liberalism. Almost immediately, this doctrine extended to every field of human activity, especially economics, politics and science. From being philosophical, it became practical a way of life, the philosophical origin of which, most people do not suspect nowadays.

AN UNHOLY TRINITY…

After this, Human Messianism combined with Liberalism to set up CAPITALISM, an economic system based on greed and usury, which paves the way for Communism. Rationalism and Liberalism combined to give birth to the principle of POPULAR SOVEREIGNTY, being free and reasonable, every human being was to make all decisions.

Rationalism, and Human Messianism, combined to give birth to SCIENTISM (or the cult of Technology, the worship of the work of man, i.e. TECHNOLATRY) whereby we expect salvation from better and higher production, an error which was observed by Pius XII in his 1952 Christmas message. We speak of “Progress” in terms of industrialisation, completely unaware of “the undeniable advantages of an economy based chiefly on agriculture”. (Pius XII)

DIABOLICALLY LOGICAL…

Thus, the unholy trinity, that is, Rationalism, Human Messianism, and Liberalism, laid the ground-work for all the evils which are destroying modern society. Observe how gradual the process has been:
a) Difference in religious views (affecting the soul).
b) Alteration in philosophical thinking (affecting the intellect).
c) Organisation and purpose of the physical world (affecting the will).

Observe how logical the development:
a) REFORMATION (dividing Christianity to weaken Divine Revelation).
b) RATIONALISM (doubting that man can rely on Divine Revelation).
c) HUMAN MESSIANISM (asserting that man can rely on himself).
d) LIBERALISM (trusting man wholly).
e) CAPITALISM (Human Messianism plus Liberalism).
f) DEMOCRACY (Rationalism plus Liberalism).
g) TECHNOCRACY (and Technolatry) - (Nationalism plus Human Messianism).

These developments are too gradual and logical to leave any doubt that there is an Intelligence behind it. This Intelligence is that of the Power of Darkness.

A number of Saints have said that, in the Latter Days, evil will be done by men of good will. There is no doubt that many Catholics believe in good faith that we are living in an age of progress, and that Modern Democracy IS Progress. The superficial advantages which it presents hide from many its intrinsic nature, the errors on which it is based, and the evils which accompany it.

The deception of the Devil has worked. Author Unknown…

Quote=onenow1, I like to read this every once in awhile Christian Knight,I think it brings a little more understanding of reformation history into perspective.

For 2000yrs the Catholic Church is still here, same place same staion same doctrines. As Jesus said ! The gates of Hell Shall not prevail.

Did you ever wonder, why till this day Christian churches continue to split into newer factions, I don’t think this is the work of the Holy Spirit

In the gospels remember what Jesus said a house divided against itself will not stand.

Peace, onenow1

 

[Mannyfit75]

Are you sure?
I love working on farms, done it all my life, I was saying that’d be a reason I’d run away. I told my parents if they ever moved us to a city limit I’d run away, and they know I mean it. So after I join up, they are moving to Florida.

I am sure. Where did I ever wrote that I condemned you as farmer, Confederate, and a Philospher?

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

lol? He didn’t say go to church to worship. I can worship in my house, just as easy as you can go to Mass, believe it or not.

And you may be arrogant for saying Protestants cause Homosexuality…

First, I never say Protestants started homosexuality. I believe the doctrine of Sola Scriptura can have some Christian misinterpret passages in Scripture and says homosexuality is ok.

There have been Protestant ministers who do not think homosexual acts is sinful.

Keep the sabbath include sunday worship. If you read the Gospels after the resurrection, the Apostles gather on the first day of the week in the reading, and breaking of the Bread. Early Church Father have said that “Breaking of the Bread” is one of the terms for receiving Communion.

Read my signature please.

And their is WestBoro who go went to a gay soldier’s funerals and cursed them out…

Yes, I can keep it holy, by worshipping and not working on sunday’s.

Um, I don’t get it. When did I say that?

**Now, instead of saying you didn’t have to go to church, you are now saying you don’t have to go to church to worship. Any other excuses? **

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

What the heck happened to the above post? Manny and my answers are together…hmm

 

[John1]

I am proud to say that I am Roman Catholic. Always was and always will be 4ever.
I have come across many who have critizied my faith, even Catholics who feel that if anything is acceptable in the world, then it must be okay to do.

Actually, I take into consideraition that the faith has NOT benn taught altogether correctly since the late 1960’s. Let’s face it, since Vatican !!, little by little, Priests are changing words in the Mass that change the whole Mass One Church in my area, the Priest does not pray the Creed at Sunday Mass he has replaced it with a Stewardship prayer. I mentioned it to him one Sunday, he dropped my hand and offered no reason.
So, the reason for the confusion primarily is in the Church itself…

Many of these reasons have led to the watering down of the true Faith.
Fortunately, I received my Catholic knowledge from nuns in a Catholic school for 12 years, and parents who were very religious.
(Early 40’s and '50’s)
I need to also admit that when Vatican 11 came into play, I thought it was great, that this would bring Protestants and Catholics together. But, when Mother Angelica began EWTN, I watched her without fail and realized how wrong Vatican 11 was and how it failed it’s original intent, instead, we had the Protestants attacking us more and more.
FYI, there were Protestant Ministers who were involved with Vatican 11, no surprise then, that our songs became like theirs, that our Masses became almost like theirs, except for the Holy Eucharist, which I hold dearest to my heart in hopes that soon, we will have our most Traditional Masses again, all in One voiice, One language, LATIN.

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I am catholic and I attend the Roman Catholic Church with my wife and daughter. I don’t agree with everything that the Roman Catholic Church teaches either. There are a lot of catholics that don’t agree with all are parts of Vatican II. There might be just as much dissention among catholics as there is among protestants, of course some of the dissention is mentioned in private conversations. From reading the history of the church, from the Bible, to Eusibeus to modern historians, it appears that there has always been disagreements in the church and a lot of violence between “Christians”. In 2 Timothy 2:24-25 it say that slaves to Christ should be gentle with everyone, , able to teach, tolerant, correcting apponents with kindness. I think that history and some of the replys that I have read, indicate that some have fallen short.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

It’s all right if you have difficulties understanding. It is even all right if you disagree provided you obey.

I mean, you might disagree with the idea that in vitro fertilization is morally wrong, but you must accept that the Church’s teaching is correct and your disagreement is wrong. You must strive to inform your conscience and your intellect knowing that if there is a disagreement with the Church’s moral teaching, that any wrongness or fault is going to lie with you and not with the Church. You must, even if you disagree, keep consciously striving to understand and to accept the Church’s teaching.

You can’t pick and choose and say, "This teaching I accept, this one I don’t, but I’ll consider myself a Catholic who is ‘free’ to take what I want and refuse what I don’t, because as a Catholic I don’t have to take anything I don’t believe in’.

As a Catholic, you must accept all teachings, even if you find them hard or even struggle with agreeing with them. You must be obedient; otherwise you are a heterodox Catholic.

 

[guanophore]

I knew with a username like “avenger” there was probably some unresolved resentment at work here. I see that unresolved resentment will not be back under this username, but for the record, I want to respond to a couple misunderstandings as to why people think “the Catholic Church is wrong”.

sure…backslid from the Scriptures.

Most non-Catholic Christians today have no idea that the Church preceeded and created the Bible. Even though it is there in front of their eyes, they cannot fathom that the Teachings of Christ were whole and entire before one word of them was ever written. These teachings were given to the Church. Since their spiritual fathers separated themselves from the teaching authority appointed by Christ, all they have left is the Scripture. They erroneously believe that the Church was built from the scriptures, instead of the other way around.

"2nd Timothy 2:15 Carefully study to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. "

Word meaning Scripture…so what’s your point? Looks like a swing and a miss…

No, avenger, the Word of God is not limited the the scripture. The Word of God is a Person, whose name is Jesus. Yes, He does speak to us through Scripture. But, at the time that Paul wrote this to Timothy, there was no NT at all. The word of Truth that had been delivered to Timothy was the Sacred Tradition that is passed faithfully through the Apostolic Succession.

I doubt there is a Christian today that would attempt to live the Christian life without a NT, yet this is what the first and most of the second generation of Christians did. They relied upon the Church, the pillar and ground of the Truth.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

I knew with a username like “avenger” there was probably some unresolved resentment at work here. I see that unresolved resentment will not be back under this username, but for the record, I want to respond to a couple misunderstandings as to why people think “the Catholic Church is wrong”.

Most non-Catholic Christians today have no idea that the Church preceeded and created the Bible. Even though it is there in front of their eyes, they cannot fathom that the Teachings of Christ were whole and entire before one word of them was ever written. These teachings were given to the Church. Since their spiritual fathers separated themselves from the teaching authority appointed by Christ, all they have left is the Scripture. They erroneously believe that the Church was built from the scriptures, instead of the other way around.

No, avenger, the Word of God is not limited the the scripture. The Word of God is a Person, whose name is Jesus. Yes, He does speak to us through Scripture. But, at the time that Paul wrote this to Timothy, there was no NT at all. The word of Truth that had been delivered to Timothy was the Sacred Tradition that is passed faithfully through the Apostolic Succession.

I doubt there is a Christian today that would attempt to live the Christian life without a NT, yet this is what the first and most of the second generation of Christians did. They relied upon the Church, the pillar and ground of the Truth.

I think avenger put in the wrong numbers. It should of read 1 Timothy 3:15, not 2:15.

 

[CWBetts]

I don’t know if this post is apporopriate so I will apologize in advance. Now that a certain poster has been banned, what should our reaction be? Relief that we no longer have to deal with his inanity, or sadness, because we somehow failed to reach him?

 

[fbl9]

Now that a certain poster has been banned, what should our reaction be? Relief that we no longer have to deal with his inanity, or sadness, because we somehow failed to reach him?

quite honestly both

 

[coolduude]

quite honestly both

I must agree.

Joy in that he is not bashing us, but sadness because we couldn’t teach him the truth.

We can still pray, though.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

I don’t know if this post is apporopriate so I will apologize in advance. Now that a certain poster has been banned, what should our reaction be? Relief that we no longer have to deal with his inanity, or sadness, because we somehow failed to reach him?

CW, there are just some people out there who will not listen even if the truth was right in front of them. They have been taught to hate and it is awfully hard to change. St. Paul is the Apostle of hope when Jesus called him. He was a murderer. I suppose some can change with the help of God. Just pray for him, let Christ do the rest.

 

[ChristianKnight]

First, I never say Protestants started homosexuality. I believe the doctrine of Sola Scriptura can have some Christian misinterpret passages in Scripture and says homosexuality is ok.

There have been Protestant ministers who do not think homosexual acts is sinful.

Keep the sabbath include sunday worship. If you read the Gospels after the resurrection, the Apostles gather on the first day of the week in the reading, and breaking of the Bread. Early Church Father have said that “Breaking of the Bread” is one of the terms for receiving Communion.

Read my signature please.

And their is WestBoro who go went to a gay soldier’s funerals and cursed them out…

Yes, I can keep it holy, by worshipping and not working on sunday’s.

Um, I don’t get it. When did I say that?

**Now, instead of saying you didn’t have to go to church, you are now saying you don’t have to go to church to worship. Any other excuses? **

Then you should have never typed it like that, cause it says plainly Protestants are to blame for it, you should have typed the ideal of Sola Scriptura helped…

Their have been Catholic Priests who touched little boys, whats your point? Cause some minister in California supports homosexuality, I do?

I am sure. Where did I ever wrote that I condemned you as farmer, Confederate, and a Philospher?

I never said you did, did I?

 

[John1]

I don’t know if this post is apporopriate so I will apologize in advance. Now that a certain poster has been banned, what should our reaction be? Relief that we no longer have to deal with his inanity, or sadness, because we somehow failed to reach him?

Sadness, and not just because you failed to reach him. It saddens me to see how Christians treat other Christians. I pray about this a lot, mainly for understanding, because it has been going on since the begininng of Christianity. Relief? Do you think you have you done God’s will? If you do, well so be it, but if you don’t, are you truely repentant and will you treat the next Christian with an opposing viewpoint any different?