They appear to be embarrassed of their faith for some reason. I may ask you Janet to pray for me because I have the flu, but I will not pray to you in the spiritual sense of the word. I also am fully aware that you can read the request and if you were here I could ask you in person to pray to God to heal and comfort me during my illness. Now if I pray to Paul, he cannot hear my unless he is omnipresent, which is only a characteristic of God alone.
Well, when I need to go and see a doctor I surely don’t want to talk to his mom…
No, actually… I never tried that, because my Dad was the one who made the decisions that were of more importance… My mom then usually told me to ask him instead…
Perhaps your own Catholic instruction may help you decide:
* if it is addressed directly to God, it is superior, absolute, supreme worship, or worship of adoration, or, according to the consecrated theological term, a worship of latria. This sovereign worship is due to God alone; addressed to a creature it would become idolatry.
* When worship is addressed only indirectly to God, that is, when its object is the veneration of martyrs, of angels, or of saints, it is a subordinate worship dependent on the first, and relative, in so far as it honours the creatures of God for their peculiar relations with Him; it is designated by theologians as the worship of dulia, a term denoting servitude, and implying, when used to signify our worship of distinguished servants of God, that their service to Him is their title to our veneration (cf. Chollet, loc. cit., col. 2407, and Bouquillon, Tractatus de virtute religionis, I, Bruges, 1880, 22 sq.).
* As the Blessed Virgin has a separate and absolutely supereminent rank among the saints, the worship paid to her is called hyperdulia (for the meaning and history of these terms see Suicer, Thesaurus ecclesiasticus, 1728).Are you to embarrassed?
What does God warn about trying to communicating to dead spirits? Which by definition a dead saint is alive in spirit because they have not received their glorified bodies.
There are several degrees of this worship:
* if it is addressed directly to God, it is superior, absolute, supreme worship, or worship of adoration, or, according to the consecrated theological term, a worship of latria. This sovereign worship is due to God alone; addressed to a creature it would become idolatry.
* When worship is addressed only indirectly to God, that is, when its object is the veneration of martyrs, of angels, or of saints, it is a subordinate worship dependent on the first, and relative, in so far as it honours the creatures of God for their peculiar relations with Him; it is designated by theologians as the worship of dulia, a term denoting servitude, and implying, when used to signify our worship of distinguished servants of God, that their service to Him is their title to our veneration (cf. Chollet, loc. cit., col. 2407, and Bouquillon, Tractatus de virtute religionis, I, Bruges, 1880, 22 sq.).
* As the Blessed Virgin has a separate and absolutely supereminent rank among the saints, the worship paid to her is called hyperdulia (for the meaning and history of these terms see Suicer, Thesaurus ecclesiasticus, 1728).
I chose #1, so you will be able to relax and say I worship saints and Mary and other things besides God without violation of the Church teaching on the matter:
* if it is addressed directly to God, it is superior, absolute, supreme worship, or worship of adoration, or, according to the consecrated theological term, a worship of latria. This sovereign worship is due to God alone; addressed to a creature it would become idolatry.
* When worship is addressed only indirectly to God, that is, when its object is the veneration of martyrs, of angels, or of saints, it is a subordinate worship dependent on the first, and relative, in so far as it honours the creatures of God for their peculiar relations with Him; it is designated by theologians as the worship of dulia, a term denoting servitude, and implying, when used to signify our worship of distinguished servants of God, that their service to Him is their title to our veneration (cf. Chollet, loc. cit., col. 2407, and Bouquillon, Tractatus de virtute religionis, I, Bruges, 1880, 22 sq.).
* As the Blessed Virgin has a separate and absolutely ***supereminent rank among the saints***, the worship paid to her is called hyperdulia (for the meaning and history of these terms see Suicer, Thesaurus ecclesiasticus, 1728).I agree… I used to sing it in Latin with the most fervor… looking at it in English is kind of stunning… so much towards Mary and then “after this” show us Jesus followed by more sweet words for Mary…Are you to embarrassed?
The Hail, Holy Queen: Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy! our life, our sweetness, and **our hope! **To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve; to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this valley, of tears. Turn, then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us; and after this our exile show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus; O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.
It is a prayer TO, not THROUGH and there are hundreds more just like it. You can rationalize before men, but what about before God? If you faith is in accordance with God, then you have no issues at all.
What I take from that is all worship ultimately goes to God.
You have guts being here. If you came from Protestant to Catholicism, then you are most favored, but a Catholic to a Protestant you are straight from the pit and a traitor or maybe just a strayer…
Be careful; you may be cursed if you believe you are assured…you don’t believe you are assured of your salvation are you?What I take from that is all worship ultimately goes to God.
You are correct, we all make our own choices. I am comfortable with my choice to be a Catholic. I know in my heart I only worship God and God alone, so no worries here
I believe I have been saved, am being saved and look forward to being saved!
That covers the bases past, present and future.
Fantastic. However, to tell a Catholic that they think God is a cracker (or however you phrased it) is extremely offensive.
Actually, prayer cloths are biblical, although I think the name is a misnomer because you are not supposed to be praying to the piece of cloth. The cloth is a sacramental (ie something whose blessing works through the faith of the user). They are supposed to be used in the same way as the handkerchiefs and aprons which touched Paul were used. Prayer cloths have been touched by the relics of Saints and they usually have some documentation as to which Saint’s relics were used and what their patronage is so that they may be used to best effect.
Well if he wanted to display what this might look like to a complete outsider it is just a rational view of things… Without knowledge of the Catholic faith one might assume this looking at one of the pictures of Eucharistic adoration… If he just wanted to display this I couldn’t find anything offensive in it.
You have to wonder why Protestants come here and try so hard to tell us we beleive things we dont believe. Makes you wonder if they are here to convince us that the Catholic faith is wrong or if they are really trying to convince themsleves.What I take from that is all worship ultimately goes to God.
You are correct, we all make our own choices. I am comfortable with my choice to be a Catholic. I know in my heart I only worship God and God alone, so no worries here