The Catholic-Orthodox Dialogue: Where does it truly stand at present?

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Julia_Mae said:
Sorry, I was quite seriously trying to address your op. There’s no use to do the same things over and over and expect a different result. Ergo: we are nowhere. Does anyone really see any possible resolution? I was quite serious in my proposed solution. And I’d really like to know the answers to my questions:

Is the Eucharist the Eucharist in both churches? Do the Orthodox think we are eating bread and drinking wine? Does the RCC think this of the Orthodox? How is this not the first issue to settle? Once it’s settled, why would anything else be a true impediment?
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We won’t agree to intercommunion because we don’t believe we both hold the same faith.
 
Here is a link to a summary of the history and work of the Joint Commission, starting with the Abrogation of the Excommunications of 1054 on December 7, 1965, up to and including the issuance of the Ravenna Document following the 10th Plenary Session in 2007. There are hyperlinks throughout for each of the published statements issued by the Joint Commission.

This page has yet to be updated to reflect the last two Plenary Sessions, both on the subject of the Role of the Bishop of Rome in the First Millenium Church.

source: Centro Pro Unione website
 
I hate to be a downer, but – it’s never going to happen. Not completely. I mean seriously, what’s next…? Are we going to unify with the Jews too?

The best chance of success in the way of ecumenism is drawing as many people as we can into the Holy Church, and dusting our sandals off of the rest.

We need to be finding solutions on ways to make the transition easier for the willing, from which-ever direction they come.
 
So basically, what I have taken away from this thread so far is that my Church is ‘tradition bound’, yet demonstrably false based on Church tradition (post # 36), and that we ought to be targeted for conversion as if we were Jews (post #45). Wonderful.
 
Cavaradossi said:
So basically, what I have taken away from this thread so far is that my Church is demonstrably false based on Church tradition, and that we ought to be targeted for conversion as Jews. Wonderful.
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I guess this really shows where the dialogue is today 😃
 
Cavaradossi said:
So basically, what I have taken away from this thread so far is that my Church is demonstrably false based on Church tradition, and that we ought to be targeted for conversion as Jews. Wonderful.
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As Popeye would say" “This is embarrisking!” 😊
 
Cavaradossi said:
So basically, what I have taken away from this thread so far is that my Church is ‘tradition bound’, yet demonstrably false based on Church tradition (post # 36), and that we ought to be targeted for conversion as if we were Jews (post #45). Wonderful.
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If it makes you feel any better, my opinion of the Orthodox Church is one of great respect and love. I very much wish to see communion restored, and with God’s grace, I believe this can happen in a way that is respectful of both sides of the discussion. Its something I pray for with great regularity.

Frankly, I am of the opinion that in the coming years we are going to need each other in ways that are only beginning to manifest now with the direction the world is taking in terms of secularization.
 
jwinch2 said:
Frankly, I am of the opinion that in the coming years we are going to need each other in ways that are only beginning to manifest now with the direction the world is taking in terms of secularization.
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… and just look at further developments in the Middle East, where our Eastern Christian brothers and sisters, Catholic and Orthodox, are at risk and live in danger.
 
ConstantineTG said:
I guess this really shows where the dialogue is today 😃
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It shows where the Laity is. ByzCath said earlier in the thread that it is his impression that those in the Catholic hierarchy who matter are more open to proper discussion.

I can’t imagine it is much different on our side (I know our hierarchy is open, and that much of our laity is not).
 
jwinch2 said:
Frankly, I am of the opinion that in the coming years we are going to need each other in ways that are only beginning to manifest now with the direction the world is taking in terms of secularization.
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We already cooperate on those issues without being in communion, though. We don’t need to be in communion to cooperate on those issues. We cannot enter into communion via social/community/political projects, only through coming to share the same faith, which is not the current reality. Would that it were otherwise, but we have to remain realistic about what binds us and what keeps us apart.
 
Nine_Two said:
I can’t imagine it is much different on our side (I know our hierarchy is open, and that much of our laity is not).
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You are correct in my experience. I commented on a youtube video of Pope Benedict going an Orthodox Divine Liturgy, by expressing the hope of communion being restored and received what might be charitably described as “dissenting opinions” on the matter.
 
dzheremi said:
We already cooperate on those issues without being in communion, though. We don’t need to be in communion to cooperate on those issues. We cannot enter into communion via social/community/political projects, only through coming to share the same faith, which is not the current reality. Would that it were otherwise, but we have to remain realistic about what binds us and what keeps us apart.
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Very true, and no one wants a restored communion based on anything other than common faith. Yet, cooperation on these and other important matters do tend to remind us quite vividly of the values we share in common, and do build bonds of trust necessary for progress on “the hard stuff”.

Even here in the U.S., the prospective realities of legislation (HHS mandate) and the implications for religious freedom were sufficient to build ready consensus among various groups of Christians.
 
Nine_Two said:
It shows where the Laity is. ByzCath said earlier in the thread that it is his impression that those in the Catholic hierarchy who matter are more open to proper discussion.

I can’t imagine it is much different on our side (I know our hierarchy is open, and that much of our laity is not).
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Of course, both side are open to the other side accepting their position.
 
Luke 18:22-30 (Douay-Rheims)

Which when Jesus had heard, he said to him: Yet one thing is wanting to thee: sell all whatever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
He having heard these things, became sorrowful; for he was very rich.
And Jesus seeing him become sorrowful, said: How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God. For it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
And they that heard it, said: Who then can be saved? He said to them: The things that are impossible with men, are possible with God.
Then Peter said: Behold, we have left all things, and have followed thee. Who said to them: Amen, I say to you, there is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God’s sake, Who shall not receive much more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.
 
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