That is not a bad suggestion at all, but that would not be acceptable to the RCC. The RCC requires a subscription in principle at least to papal supremacy and jurisdiction over the whole church. That was defined as a dogma at Vatican I. There is no room for a “to each their own” approach.
This is very much how things were before the Great Schism.
And to some extent we’re getting back to that – at least insofar as each side has agreed not to engage in proselytism or uniatism against the other.
The Eastern and Oriental Catholic Churches normally function as their Orthodox counterparts anyway. The prerogatives of papal primacy and universal jurisdiction are only exercised in extenuating circumstances, normally upon appeal. I don’t know why one has to interpret Pastor Aeternus according to the Absolutist Petrine exaggerations. Besides, I’m not aware of a single instance of “papal interference” in the Eastern or Oriental Catholic Churches (arguably
).I won’t say it’s going to be easy, but numbers 2 and 4 can likely be dealt with without too much hassle. The real problem lies in #s 1 and 3 which (despite despite what some will say), are essentially the same issue. And the difficulty there is mainly from the Roman side.
Your answer is very interesting. I wonder if you would expand on the solutions.I won’t say it’s going to be easy, but numbers 2 and 4 can likely be dealt with without too much hassle. The real problem lies in #s 1 and 3 which (despite despite what some will say), are essentially the same issue. And the difficulty there is mainly from the Roman side.
Notice that I said it wouldn’t be easy, but if one looks at the First Millennium reality, numbers 2 and 4 can be dealt with.
That the infallibility of the Church is in her Oecumenical Council is not an issue. That’s a “given” as it were. And no, I won’t go further, except to reiterate that one must look at the First Millennium.
Why not?
Excuse me?Why not?
Read again the last bit about the First Millennium. To play a bit on good old Popeye, I said what I said and that’s all what I said. Source?
The Church is the source of infallibility, agreed. Probably me not putting it across very well. If I understand what I’m reading no bishop can make an infallible statement. That, in my understanding, would be one reason why the Orthodox wouldn’t accept the Bishop of Rome being infallible.
In theory, yes, As a matter of practicality? I don’t think so.
Because, as we have so often sparred in the past, it’s the reality on the ground.
I am.Besides, I’m not aware of a single instance of “papal interference” in the Eastern or Oriental Catholic Churches (arguably
Yes, but curtailed by whom? The “lawgiver” himself, who is the only one who could? Fat chance of that happening.
You said you wouldn’t go further. I was asking why not to that but never mind.
Yes, I know. It’s what I addressed.You said you wouldn’t go further. I was asking why not to that but never mind.
Priests, bishops, Metropolitans, Patriarchs. I haven’t seen a single directive of the Pope of Rome to my Church since I"ve been Catholic.
I can’t see anything fruitful in dancing in circles. May be you’re well versed in the Church in the first millenium. I’m not and it was a terribly long time ago so I don’t remember it.
As a Catholic, I’ve never understood the Church to be the source of infallibility. Rather, it is God, and God alone. In the Catholic understanding (from my reading of documents of Vatican 1, including, and especially, the official Relatio of Bishop Gasser), infallibility is not possessed by the Church in the sense that she can grant it to others. There are three organs that exercise infallibility explicitly in the Catholic Church - the Ecumenical Council (extraordinary Magisterium), the College of Bishops (ordinary magisterium), and the Pope (extraordinary Magisterium). The sensus fidei is also regarded as being protected by infallibility. But an Ecumenical Council cannot grant infallibility to the Pope or the sensus fidei; the sensus fidei cannot grant infallibility to the College of Bishops or the Pope; the Pope cannot grant infallibility to an Ecumenical Council or the College of Bishops; etc; etc. It is only God Who grants infallibility through the Holy Spirit. He is the only Source of infallibility.