The CC "got it right" on the NT canon? How do you know?

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Protestor said:
You should be asking “Does your theology allow for the possibility of this happening?”

Even if he wasn’t okay with it what should I care? This weak language that you are using is incapable of changing my mind. This is the kind of language that is used ask “if my food was okay”. I really think that you want to say that I am being heretical, and I would respect you more if you used such language. So maybe you should be asking “Isn’t this heretical even by protestant standards?”.
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Ok.

Isn’t this heretical even by Protestant standards?

It certainly isn’t Scriptural.
 
Protestor said:
and I have a general distain for authority.
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Did Moses have authority?
Did Aaron have authority?
Did King David have authority?
Did King Saul have authority?
Did King Solomon have authority?
Did the high priest have authority?
Did Peter have authority?
Did Paul have authority?
Did the Apostles have authority?
Did Timothy have authority?
Did Titus have authority?
Did those Timothy ordain have authority?
Does Jesus have authority?

Authority runs through the Christian religion. In our hyper-individualized culture that teaches us to reject all authority (except the state, of course) we naturally recoil in horror at the idea that someone else has authority over us. But is that how Jesus envisions His Church? Did He invest His Church with authority or not? Did He command us to listen to His Church or not?
 
Protestor said:
Subjugation isn’t really my style, and I have a general distain for authority.
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I certainly hope you’re not pitting “subjugation” against “authority”.

To be subject to someone else’s authority is NOT to be “subjugated” to it.

Authority merely means “author’s rights”…and that means any author, by rights, has the ability to invoke his rights over you.

Incidentally, do you allow your children to have this same disdain for authority?

And, please be charitable to the hypothetical–you don’t need to tell me, “I am 75 years old and have never been a parent” or “I am only 18 and have never sired any children”.

Think in the abstract, please.
 
Authority=subjugation is this worlds’s lie about obedience. That is the way our world thinks, but not the way Christ thinks. Christ offers us freedom in obedience and communion with others.

The deceiver whispers in our ear:
“Do not submit to Christ, you will lose something. Think purely for yourself. If you trust the community you will get hurt. You will lose your autonomy and be a slave. They will take advantage of you. You can figure Scripture out and theology out for yourself.”

Like all the best lies, these lies have elements of truth in them. But the truth is twisted and used to divert our eyes from the good. Our good is everlasting communion with Christ, who is by definition the Head of His Body.
 
Protester , the Scriptures were inspired by God , and the church approved only that which was inspired , I’ll say this as lovingly as possible , you cannot change the scriptures.
 
Starwarsfan2 said:
Protester , the Scriptures were inspired by God , and the church approved only that which was inspired , I’ll say this as lovingly as possible , you cannot change the scriptures.
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Thank you.

Now, can you give us this list of “basics” that determines whether a person is a Christian or not, and what Scripture verses tell you you it’s a “basic” belief?
 
PRmerger said:
Thank you.

Now, can you give us this list of “basics” that determines whether a person is a Christian or not, and what Scripture verses tell you you it’s a “basic” belief?
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Oh , yeah forgot about mentioning that:p
Trinity
Deity of Christ
Virgin Birth
Humanity of Christ
Death on the cross and resurrection
Second Coming
Creation
Fall
Heaven
Hell
Justification by grace alone through faith alone not by works
As for the Scriptures, this should suffice, contend for the faith once delivered onto the saints , meaning , change any of the teachings listed and your not a Christian, also first John for the deity and humanity of Christ , and the condemnation of the heretics Hyfenias and Philtus ( the one time you need the autocorrect it doesn’t help ) and other passages.
 
Starwarsfan2 said:
Oh , yeah forgot about mentioning that:p
Trinity
Deity of Christ
Virgin Birth
Humanity of Christ
Death on the cross and resurrection
Second Coming
Creation
Fall
Heaven
Hell
Justification by grace alone through faith alone not by works
As for the Scriptures, this should suffice, contend for the faith once delivered onto the saints , meaning , change any of the teachings listed and your not a Christian, also first John for the deity and humanity of Christ , and the condemnation of the heretics Hyfenias and Philtus ( the one time you need the autocorrect it doesn’t help ) and other passages.
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So close… well… still technically correct.

Your are right that works cannot save us, period. Our salvation is a gift from God and cannot be earned.

With that said, frequently when someone phrases it like that, they are implying that works serve no purpose in the Christian life, and are not necessary after one has accepted the “core tenants” of Christianity. If that’s not what you meant, then I’m rambling, feel free to ignore me.

If, however, that is what you intended, then I would have to call you out on it. Faith is necessary, true, but once we have received God’s grace through baptism, it becomes necessary to express that grace through our works to spread the Gospel and help those who are less fortunate than ourselves. Faith without works is hollow, and, like the steward who buried the talent his master gave him, we will be held accountable for not working to increase the gifts of faith that have been given to us.

And yeah, Autocorrect almost never has Biblical names in it… maybe we should compile a dictionary of complex Biblical names that we can share with people so they can add it to their web browser’s dictionaries…
 
Starwarsfan2 said:
Oh , yeah forgot about mentioning that:p
Trinity
Deity of Christ
Virgin Birth
Humanity of Christ
Death on the cross and resurrection
Second Coming
Creation
Fall
Heaven
Hell
Justification by grace alone through faith alone not by works
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I noticed you didn’t mention Love? At all.

You don’t believe this is a “basic”?
 
ProdglArchitect said:
So close… well… still technically correct.

Your are right that works cannot save us, period. Our salvation is a gift from God and cannot be earned.

With that said, frequently when someone phrases it like that, they are implying that works serve no purpose in the Christian life, and are not necessary after one has accepted the “core tenants” of Christianity. If that’s not what you meant, then I’m rambling, feel free to ignore me.

If, however, that is what you intended, then I would have to call you out on it. Faith is necessary, true, but once we have received God’s grace through baptism, it becomes necessary to express that grace through our works to spread the Gospel and help those who are less fortunate than ourselves. Faith without works is hollow, and, like the steward who buried the talent his master gave him, we will be held accountable for not working to increase the gifts of faith that have been given to us.

And yeah, Autocorrect almost never has Biblical names in it… maybe we should compile a dictionary of complex Biblical names that we can share with people so they can add it to their web browser’s dictionaries…
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No that’s not what sola fide means , it that faith alone justifys , then produces works in the Christian life , it never means antinomianism .
 
Starwarsfan2 said:
No that’s not what sola fide means , it that faith alone justifys , then produces works in the Christian life , it never means antinomianism .
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But doesn’t scripture say somwhere that we are justified by works and not faith alone?
 
Duane1966 said:
But doesn’t scripture say somwhere that we are justified by works and not faith alone?
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Eph says not by works , and James 2:24 literally means shown to be justified , in the sense of evidence of justification , now works being apart of justification, hence faith alone .
 
Starwarsfan2 said:
Eph says not by works , and James 2:24 literally means shown to be justified , in the sense of evidence of justification , now works being apart of justification, hence faith alone .
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Never says shown, is literally is.
See how a person **is justified by works **and not by faith alone.
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dronald said:
I ask you how and you tell me how not?
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Well, yeah. In the context of the discussion, your question segued from Protestor’s assertion that he could read a text and discern if it’s theopneustos, because God had given him special revelation.

Your question flowed from that.

My answer flowed from the original discussion.

 
Phil 2:12-13: “So then, my dear friends,…work for your salvation 'in fear and trembling.’ It is God, for his own living purpose, who puts both the will and the action into you.” (There we have the Catholic doctrine in a nutshell: good works carried out in the state of grace are necessary for our salvation and are meritorious in God’s sight, because they are simultaneously his works as well as our works.)Apco 20:11-12: "Then I saw a great white thron
 
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