The CC "got it right" on the NT canon? How do you know?

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In the near future Protestants will have to choose between either aligning with an authoritative Magisterium or else allowing “local option” or “individual option” with multiple different NT canons in use within Protestantism.
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I’m curious as to your reasoning in making this claim?
 
rcwitness said:
Hey Vico, thanks for the resource. I’m not sure what you were purporting by it. Am I wrong to think the beliefs mentioned by PRMERGER are Dogmas of the faith?

I wasn’t suggesting that the actual Scriptures are Dogmas. They are divine revelation, Sacred Tradition. I was expressing that the act of declaring the things PRMERGER suggested are dogmas which the faithful are bound to believe. The content of any dogma isn’t made a Truth by the dogma, but made known and binding as a Truth of the faith, which the Church believes.
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rcwitness said:
Hey Vico, thanks for the resource. I’m not sure what you were purporting by it. Am I wrong to think the beliefs mentioned by PRMERGER are Dogmas of the faith?

I wasn’t suggesting that the actual Scriptures are Dogmas. They are divine revelation, Sacred Tradition. I was expressing that the act of declaring the things PRMERGER suggested are dogmas which the faithful are bound to believe. The content of any dogma isn’t made a Truth by the dogma, but made known and binding as a Truth of the faith, which the Church believes.
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It seems that PRmerger is concerned that “None of those are strongly supported by Scripture”. However, we know the basis of dogma is the teaching authority of the Church. This was expressed at Vatican II in Dei Verbum 10:
“The task of authoritatively interpreting the word of God, whether written or handed on, has been entrusted exclusively to the living Magisterium of the Church, whose authority is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ.”* *
 
Arizona_Samson said:
I’m curious as to your reasoning in making this claim?
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At one point in time, it was prophetic to make this claim, but now it is actually happening today, so it’s no longer just a claim, its fact. And it going to get worse, this is prophetic.
 
I find it interesting that one of the criteria used to define the NT Canon was the book had to be traditionally read in the Eucharistic Liturgy amongst the wide scope of the church. The second criteria is the book could not contradict Sacred Tradition.

Non-Catholics are against Sacred Tradition and the Eucharistic Liturgy but both were used to define the NT canon they proudly hold in their hands.
 
Arizona_Samson said:
A belief in the veracity of the NT isn’t justified by a belief in a “what” but a Who.
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Of course. Very Catholic, this. 👍

And this Who has a Body–the Catholic Church.

So each and every time you quote from the NT, it is because you are giving your tacit submission to the Body of Christ, this Who, who has a voice in our world today.
 
This thread looks like it is dying down at least on my end. I’m glad we now pretty much understand each other. I could answer a few posts I neglected, but largely I neglected them because of there irrelevance to the subject at hand. I always enjoy people challenging my beliefs and changing them where needed. This is kind of my way of saying any last questions.
 
PRmerger said:
Of course. Very Catholic, this. 👍

And this Who has a Body–the Catholic Church.

So each and every time you quote from the NT, it is because you are giving your tacit submission to the Body of Christ, this Who, who has a voice in our world today.
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Wow.
I’m not the only one.
Maybe I’m not crazy…
 
Duane1966 said:
The Who being the Catholic Church correct?
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Not quite. The Who is the One who offered Moses the following reply;

God said to Moses, “I AM* WHO** I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.*’” ~ Exodus 3:14
 
Arizona_Samson said:
Not quite. The Who is the One who offered Moses the following reply;

God said to Moses, “I AM* WHO*** I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” ~ Exodus 3:14
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Very Catholic, this!

We have a WHO who is the Eternal Logos, who is the Head of the Church.

But unless you have a Body here, for this Head, you serve a Who without any way to speak to you.
 
Arizona_Samson said:
Not quite. The Who is the One who offered Moses the following reply;

God said to Moses, “I AM* WHO*** I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” ~ Exodus 3:14
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Yes, in the absolute understanding, the Spirit working through the Church.
 
PRmerger said:
And this Who has a Body–the Catholic Church.
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No, this Who is Spirit and does not possess a body;

“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” ~ John 4:24

“See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” ~ Luke 24:39
So each and every time you quote from the NT, it is because you are giving your tacit submission to the Body of Christ, this Who, who has a voice in our world today.
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Incorrect. Moreover you and I hold to entirely dissimilar definitions of Body of Christ, and without an agreed upon definition any further discussion will be an exercise in futility.
 
Arizona_Samson said:
Incorrect. Moreover you and I hold to entirely dissimilar definitions of Body of Christ, and without an agreed upon definition any further discussion will be an exercise in futility.
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Well, unless you believe, as Protestor does, that he received special revelation from God about what’s theopneustos and what’s not, the ONLY way you know that Hebrews is theopneustos and the Shepherd of Hermas is not is because…

you give your tacit submission to the authority of the CC.
 
PRmerger said:
Well, unless you believe, as Protestor does, that he received special revelation from God about what’s theopneustos and what’s not, the ONLY way you know that Hebrews is theopneustos and the Shepherd of Hermas is not is because…

you give your tacit submission to the authority of the CC.
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Once again, this is incorrect. And continually repeating it will not make it true.
 
Arizona_Samson said:
No, this Who is Spirit and does not possess a body;

“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” ~ John 4:24

“See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” ~ Luke 24:39

Incorrect. Moreover you and I hold to entirely dissimilar definitions of Body of Christ, and without an agreed upon definition any further discussion will be an exercise in futility.
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Let’s get your definition then.🙂
 
Arizona_Samson said:
No, this Who is Spirit and does not possess a body;

“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” ~ John 4:24

“See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” ~ Luke 24:39

Incorrect. Moreover you and I hold to entirely dissimilar definitions of Body of Christ, and without an agreed upon definition any further discussion will be an exercise in futility.
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Col. 1:18
He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.

Eph. 1:22
And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things** to the church, which is his body**, the fullness of him who fills all in all.

Col. 1:24
Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I do my share on behalf of His body, which is the church, in filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions.

The Body of Christ is the Church, straight out of Scripture word for word.
 
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