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rcwitness
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When was this determined and by who?
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PRmerger
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I never call someone a heretic unless someone has been called a heretic by the CC.
However, heresy is a different matter. We can identify heresy and heretical assertions.
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Porknpie
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PRmerger
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Starwarsfan? Can you please answer this?And you’ll have to tell us where the Holy Scriptures “check” the 27 book canon of the NT.
How does that work?
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Starwarsfan2
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God wrote the scriptures making them apart of the canon , the church merely approved it.
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rcwitness
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Technically, men wrote the Scriptures. God inspired them, and the Church recognized and declared them as Scripture.
When did the Church do this and how?
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Duane1966
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You are saying God is not a Trinity, but maybe octagonal, or decagonal. So St. John who wrote the book of John was actually God? And Mark?And then you go onto say that after He wrote them He separated them from the canon. Wow.
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PRmerger
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Very Catholic, this!
Now, each and every time you quote from the NT as being theopneustos, you are tacitly acknowledging the authority of the CC. You are saying,** “When the Church did this, she got it right. She was given some sort of charism to prevent her from saying something is inspired that isn’t!”**
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clem456
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A huge difficulty in in this discussion is, none of us are scripture scholars. (someone correct if I am mistaken)
Why does that matter? We’d like to have all of this neatly wrapped up in a little bible sized box. But if you talk to a scripture scholar about the transmission of scripture, the human element is extremely messy and unavoidable.
Consider:
- Oral transmission is obviously a very human and messy thing There were no tape recorders present. Basically you have the Inspired stories of the nascent Church passing on the person of Jesus of Nazareth.
- There are so many written translations of scripture down through the centuries. From Aramaic to Greek to Latin to English…etc.
- Human copyists working by candlelight Did you know that copyists margin notes became part of scripture?
- Did you know there are literally thousands, thousands, of scripture interpretation threads?
And how can it be any other way? The word did become flesh after all. Even Jesus Christ submitted himself to become human.
Inspiration is all very messy and human. And that’s ok. God wills it, evidently. If he did not will it, he would have just cast the book down from the sky, and we would not need a Christ or a Church.
He could have just hit us in the head with the book, all neatly written in the KIng’s English. He didn’t. Maybe he wants us to submit like his son did.
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Starwarsfan2
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How dare you! ive NEVER denied the Trinity , yu go to far with that accusation
And then you go onto say that after He wrote them He separated them from the canon. Wow.
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Starwarsfan2
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the trinity gave the scriptures to writers who merely recorded the scriptures , then the church approved them , and pls don t ever call me non Trinitarian ever. ok duane { ps I forgive you, im just annoyed that you gave an unsupported charge against me ]How dare you! ive NEVER denied the Trinity , yu go to far with that accusation
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JMM1957
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Can you be more specific on which church in particular approved the canon of Scripture which forms the Bible as we know it today?
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Starwarsfan2
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the catholic church, why ?
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PRmerger
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Excellent.
This means that you believe in the charism of infallibility.
At least, as it applies to the canon of the NT.
Unless you believe the CC got it wrong some place? Do you believe she included a book in the NT canon that shouldn’t be there? Or excluded a book that you believe should be there? (And if so, which one?)
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Starwarsfan2
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the church is not infallible, however the church got the nt rightExcellent.
This means that you believe in the charism of infallibility.
At least, as it applies to the canon of the NT.
Unless you believe the CC got it wrong some place? Do you believe she included a book in the NT canon that shouldn’t be there? Or excluded a book that you believe should be there? (And if so, which one?)
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PRmerger
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Well, how do you think she got it right, except for the charism of infallibility?
You need to connect the dots, friend.
Right now it’s like you’re saying:
All female mammals make milk
Cows are female mammals
But that doesn’t mean that cows make milk.
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PRmerger
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Also, since you believe that 1 and 2 Peter are theopneustos (thanks to the CC), you do believe that men can be infallible, yes?
Unless you believe that St. Peter erred in writing his 2 papal encyclicals somewhere?
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Starwarsfan2
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the church can error, read revelation if you disagree] however the Holy Spirit was involved making sure that believers who can make mistakes , got the nt right
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PRmerger
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LOL!
What do you think infallibility is if not the Holy Spirit being involved in making sure believes who can make mistakes “get it right”?
You have just given a very cogent apologia for the Catholic teaching on infallibility!
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JMM1957
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Honestly, do you think that human wisdom alone got it right, or do you think that the promised Advocate, They Holy Spirit, had something to do with it?
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