The Church Fathers and the Development of the Papacy

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The following excerpt is taken from John Henry Cardinal Newman’s Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine. In this passage, Newman considers the development of the modern papacy and explains why an explicit understanding of Papal Supremacy by the early Church Fathers is not necessary and the lack thereof not fatal to the Catholic claims defined at the First Vatican Council in 1870.

Let us see how, on the principles which I have been laying down and defending, the evidence lies for the Pope’s supremacy.

As to this doctrine the question is this, whether there was not from the first a certain element at work, or in existence, divinely sanctioned, which, for certain reasons, did not at once show itself upon the surface of ecclesiastical affairs, and of which events in the fourth century are the development; and whether the evidence of its existence and operation, which does occur in the earlier centuries, be it much or little, is not just such as ought to occur upon such an hypothesis.

. . . While Apostles were on earth, there was the display neither of Bishop nor Pope; their power had no prominence, as being exercised by Apostles. In course of time, first the power of the Bishop displayed itself, and then the power of the Pope . . .

. . . St. Peter’s prerogative would remain a mere letter, till the complication of ecclesiastical matters became the cause of ascertaining it. While Christians were “of one heart and soul,” it would be suspended; love dispenses with laws . . .

When the Church, then, was thrown upon her own resources, first local disturbances gave exercise to Bishops,and next ecumenical disturbances gave exercise to Popes; and whether communion with the Pope was necessary for Catholicity would not and could not be debated till a suspension of that communion had actually occurred. It is not a greater difficulty that St. Ignatius does not write to the Asian Greeks about Popes, than that St. Paul does not write to the Corinthians about Bishops. And it is a less difficulty that the Papal supremacy was not formally acknowledged in the second century, than that there was no formal acknowledgment on the part of the Church of the doctrine of the Holy Trinity till the fourth. No doctrine is defined till it is violated . . .

Moreover, an international bond and a common authority could not be consolidated, were it ever so certainly provided, while persecutions lasted. If the Imperial Power checked the development of Councils, it availed also for keeping back the power of the Papacy. The Creed, the Canon, in like manner, both remained undefined. The Creed, the Canon, the Papacy, Ecumenical Councils, all began to form, as soon as the Empire relaxed its tyrannous oppression of the Church. And as it was natural that her monarchical power should display itself when the Empire became Christian, so was it natural also that further developments of that power should take place when that Empire fell. Moreover, when the power of the Holy See began to exert itself, disturbance and collision would be the necessary consequence . . . as St. Paul had to plead, nay, to strive for his apostolic authority, and enjoined St. Timothy, as Bishop of Ephesus, to let no man despise him:so Popes too have not therefore been ambitious because they did not establish their authority without a struggle. It was natural that Polycrates should oppose St. Victor; and natural too that St. Cyprian should both extol the See of St. Peter, yet resist it when he thought it went beyond its province . . .

On the whole, supposing the power to be divinely bestowed, yet in the first instance more or less dormant, a history could not be traced out more probable, more suitable to that hypothesis, than the actual course of the controversy which took place age after age upon the Papal supremacy.

It will be said that all this is a theory. Certainly it is: it is a theory to account for facts as they lie in the history, to account for so much being told us about the Papal authority in early times, and not more; a theory to reconcile what is and what is not recorded about it; and, which is the principal point, a theory to connect the words and acts of the Ante-Nicene Church with that antecedent probability of a monarchical principle in the Divine Scheme, and that actual exemplification of it in the fourth century, which forms their presumptive interpretation. All depends on the strength of that presumption. Supposing there be otherwise good reason for saying that the Papal Supremacy is part of Christianity, there is nothing in the early history of the Church to contradict it . . .

Moreover, all this must be viewed in the light of the general probability, so much insisted on above, that doctrine cannot but develop as time proceeds and need arises, and that its developments are parts of the Divine system, and that therefore it is lawful, or rather necessary, to interpret the words and deeds of the earlier Church by the determinate teaching of the later.

(Ven. John Henry Cardinal Newman, Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine, 1878 ed., Univ. of Notre Dame Press, 1989, pp. 148-155; Part 1, Chapter 4, Section 3.)
 
Just out of curiosity, how does this relate to Eastern Catholicism (the.ostensible focus of this forum), since Eastern Catholics already acknowledge the.authority of the Pope? :confused:
 
Just out of curiosity, how does this relate to Eastern Catholicism (the.ostensible focus of this forum), since Eastern Catholics already acknowledge the.authority of the Pope? :confused:
I sometimes post things that are helpful to us Eastern Catholics for use in general Eastern apologetics (such as defenses of the orthodoxy of the Filioque). This may be the reason (forgive me if I am incorrect) that Randy Carson has shared this.

One of the common oppositions presented to the common Eastern Catholic is that the papal authority was invented by Rome and has no basis in the Early Church. It is important that we can defend our Churches against this claim. 🙂
 
The following excerpt is taken from John Henry Cardinal Newman’s Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine. In this passage, Newman considers the development of the modern papacy and explains why an explicit understanding of Papal Supremacy by the early Church Fathers is not necessary and the lack thereof not fatal to the Catholic claims defined at the First Vatican Council in 1870.
This is a good article. Thanks for sharing it. 👍

Here is a compilation of things that I wrote in another thread that is I believe is complementary to your topic:

Until AD 325, there was the Petrine See of Rome, the Petrine See of Alexandria, and the Petrine See of Antioch.

In AD 381, the Byzantine Emperor wanted his new capital to be a metropolitan See. Constantinople was added and place above all of the other Sees except Rome. Rome and Alexandria (among others) did not accept this change. The bishop of Constantinople made sure that the bishop of Rome knew that this was not his desire.

Even in the mid-400s, Rome, in the person of Pope St Leo, still did not accept this change in ecclesiology. Byzantine Alexandria, no longer having any power do to the Miaphysite schism, no longer contested this change in ecclesiology.

Rome had more traditional authority than what can be read from the canons of the Ecumenical Councils. This was uncontested until there were political reasons to elevate a city See to a metropolitan See and made to be second to Rome. The authority of Rome was being contested by the authority of the emperor and his desire for empowering his imperial capital. Constantinople was the emperors’ project and they certainly did not desire Rome to have its traditional authority above his own powers.

Ante-Nicene Rome clearly had a primacy of more than just “honor”. However, the Byzantine Emperor supported and gave power to a See that would, with the strength of the emperor, become Rome’s first and only rival. Pope St Leo and Pope St Gregory are two pre-schism popes that are held high by the Eastern Orthodox that plainly saw Rome as having a primacy much higher than just “honor”.

We do not see the view of equality among the Sees with Rome only having a primacy of only honor until Constantinople was raised up. Before this happening (or even after), did Alexandria (the original second See) ever try to assert its equality with Rome? Not that I have yet to read. The idea that Rome had only a primacy of honor did not exist until the emperor got involved with the Church and wanted his new capital to be honored.

The political move to support the new capital also lessened the preeminent authority of ante-Nicene Rome and created a pentarchy of equals (Rome being first) and gave special favor to the imperial city above the non-Roman patriarchates established by St Peter and the universal Church. The idea of the pentarchy is foreign to ante-Nicene tradition. There is nothing to suggest that the ante-Nicene Church had a similar ecclesiology (for example a triarchy).

The Byzantine Emperors would continue balancing out powers between the Sees and strengthening the Byzantine Empire by calling councils not only to settle theological disputes but also to preserve the state religion as a unified confederation of metropolitan Sees.

The Catholic Church accepts the infallibility of doctrine and morals proclaimed by the Ecumenical Councils. However, unlike what I have seen from the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox sources, she does not consider the disciplinary actions of an Ecumenical Council as being infallible and unchangeable.

Not everything that was done under the power of the Byzantine Emperor was an example of how things were always done. The emperor may have tried to weaken Rome’s traditional authority because he wanted to maintain his own power by creating a rival See, however, this does not prove Rome to only have a primacy of “honor”.
 
Just out of curiosity, how does this relate to Eastern Catholicism (the.ostensible focus of this forum), since Eastern Catholics already acknowledge the.authority of the Pope? :confused:
Your question is a good one. If I post in “Apologetics”, few (if any) Orthodox will see it because they do not venture into that arena.

If I post in “Non-Catholic Religions”, fewer Eastern Catholics will see it because they ARE Catholic (so why would they frequent a non-catholic forum), and frankly, I think Newman’s argument should bolster the faith of Eastern Catholics who ARE in communion with Rome and be received with joy.

So, I post here in the hope that the maximum number of Orthodox will see what Newman had to say and reflect upon the logic of his ideas.
 
I sometimes post things that are helpful to us Eastern Catholics for use in general Eastern apologetics (such as defenses of the orthodoxy of the Filioque). This may be the reason (forgive me if I am incorrect) that Randy Carson has shared this.

One of the common oppositions presented to the common Eastern Catholic is that the papal authority was invented by Rome and has no basis in the Early Church. It is important that we can defend our Churches against this claim. 🙂
Bingo!

(Or is that too Catholic? :p)
 
Your question is a good one. If I post in “Apologetics”, few (if any) Orthodox will see it because they do not venture into that arena.

If I post in “Non-Catholic Religions”, fewer Eastern Catholics will see it because they ARE Catholic (so why would they frequent a non-catholic forum), and frankly, I think Newman’s argument should bolster the faith of Eastern Catholics who ARE in communion with Rome and be received with joy.

So, I post here in the hope that the maximum number of Orthodox will see what Newman had to say and reflect upon the logic of his ideas.
Are you yourself Eastern Catholic? I’m just wondering, because while I appreciate the logic of your statement, perhaps you can see why EC’s might not always appreciate receiving instructions on how to bolster their faith, by non-EC’s. 😉
 
Are you yourself Eastern Catholic? I’m just wondering, because while I appreciate the logic of your statement, perhaps you can see why EC’s might not always appreciate receiving instructions on how to bolster their faith, by non-EC’s. 😉
2 Timothy 4:2
Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.
 
2 Timothy 4:2
Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.
Yes, but it’s possible to preach the Word without being patronizing. In fact, it may be more effective that way. 👍

I guess I get a little frustrated because so many Latin Rite Catholics seem to feel the need to come into the EC forum and try to set little “traps” to prove Eastern Catholics aren’t really as “Catholic” as they are. Please note, I’m not saying YOU, Randy - I know you and Fr. Morris were having a legitimate discussion on this topic. So I apologize if I got between the two of you.

Still, it may help you to know that some of us ECs do feel this way sometimes - like our loyalty to the Church is constantly under question. It can sometimes make us respond inappropriately. :o
 
Yes, but it’s possible to preach the Word without being patronizing. In fact, it may be more effective that way. 👍

I guess I get a little frustrated because so many Latin Rite Catholics seem to feel the need to come into the EC forum and try to set little “traps” to prove Eastern Catholics aren’t really as “Catholic” as they are. Please note, I’m not saying YOU, Randy - I know you and Fr. Morris were having a legitimate discussion on this topic. So I apologize if I got between the two of you.

Still, it may help you to know that some of us ECs do feel this way sometimes - like our loyalty to the Church is constantly under question. It can sometimes make us respond inappropriately. :o
I’m not trying to detract from the thread itself, but I have in the several years that I’ve been here noticed that some ECs merited questioning because of their replies (with no need for “traps”), i.e., those ECs eventually converted to some form of Orthodoxy. On the other hand some of the best defenders of the Catholic faith have been ECs, and a few were my friends.
 
I’m not trying to detract from the thread itself, but I have in the several years that I’ve been here noticed that some ECs merited questioning because of their replies (with no need for “traps”), i.e., those ECs eventually converted to some form of Orthodoxy. On the other hand some of the best defenders of the Catholic faith have been ECs, and a few were my friends.
“Merited” questioning? But why is it always the Latin Rite Catholics that feel they have the authority to “question” Catholics of other rites?

I would love to question some of the Latin Rite Catholics who post here and in other forums, on various topics; but I don’t, because frankly I know I would come off sounding judgmental, and I would rather not take a chance of chasing a brother or sister away from the Faith altogether because of my attitude. I just ask LR Catholics to use the same discretion with us lowly ECs. 😉
 
Yes, but it’s possible to preach the Word without being patronizing. In fact, it may be more effective that way. 👍

I guess I get a little frustrated because so many Latin Rite Catholics seem to feel the need to come into the EC forum and try to set little “traps” to prove Eastern Catholics aren’t really as “Catholic” as they are. Please note, I’m not saying YOU, Randy - I know you and Fr. Morris were having a legitimate discussion on this topic. So I apologize if I got between the two of you.

Still, it may help you to know that some of us ECs do feel this way sometimes - like our loyalty to the Church is constantly under question. It can sometimes make us respond inappropriately. :o
Now that is foreign to me, but hey, I’m a convert living in the deep south and I doubt I’ve ever known an EC in my life. But why on earth would anyone - any Catholic - need to make the EC feel like second-class citizens? 🤷
 
“Merited” questioning? But why is it always the Latin Rite Catholics that feel they have the authority to “question” Catholics of other rites?
I don’t know about “authority”, and I’m really new to this forum having spent the majority of the last seven (!) years over in the Apologetics forum, but my guess is that Catholics would hear something that sounds just a little off from what we are accustomed to hearing and that would raise questions.

The other thing that I have personally experienced in the past few days is EC who are leaning STRONGLY in the direction of Constantinople who begin to argue with me about the papacy, infallibility, universal jurisdiction, etc. So, there’s that.
I would love to question some of the Latin Rite Catholics who post here and in other forums, on various topics; but I don’t, because frankly I know I would come off sounding judgmental, and I would rather not take a chance of chasing a brother or sister away from the Faith altogether because of my attitude. I just ask LR Catholics to use the same discretion with us lowly ECs. 😉
I’m happy with anything you want to ask. Fire when ready. 👍
 
I don’t know about “authority”, and I’m really new to this forum having spent the majority of the last seven (!) years over in the Apologetics forum, but my guess is that Catholics would hear something that sounds just a little off from what we are accustomed to hearing and that would raise questions.
Well, that’s part of the problem, though, isn’t it? Eastern Catholics do have different ways of expressing their theology and different traditions so of course you’re going to hear things that aren’t what you’re accustomed to hearing. Ask questions, by all means, but don’t presume that you automatically know more than we do because you’re Western. :cool:
The other thing that I have personally experienced in the past few days is EC who are leaning STRONGLY in the direction of Constantinople who begin to argue with me about the papacy, infallibility, universal jurisdiction, etc. So, there’s that.
I guess I missed that, because I’ve only seen you primarily debating with Fr. John Morris, who is Eastern Orthodox, not Eastern Catholic. If I missed the ECs arguing with you, my apologies.
I’m happy with anything you want to ask. Fire when ready. 👍
Another thread, another time. Thanks! 👍
 
Your question is a good one. If I post in “Apologetics”, few (if any) Orthodox will see it because they do not venture into that arena.

If I post in “Non-Catholic Religions”, fewer Eastern Catholics will see it because they ARE Catholic (so why would they frequent a non-catholic forum), and frankly, I think Newman’s argument should bolster the faith of Eastern Catholics who ARE in communion with Rome and be received with joy.

So, I post here in the hope that the maximum number of Orthodox will see what Newman had to say and reflect upon the logic of his ideas.
I have reflected on Newman quite a bit. I did my undergraduate thesis paper for my History Degree on Newman and his Conversion. Interestingly, it was Newman who helped push me in the direction of investigating Orthodoxy.

Newman’s ideas reflect a very western mindset. I keep hearing the word “Logic”…Logic Logic Logic. One cannot approach the Orthodox Faith in this way…I tried.

Reason can be a tool, but it should never be the coffee filter through which your Faith is strained. Newman was a brilliant man, but very Scholastic and Academic in his thinking.
 
I have reflected on Newman quite a bit. I did my undergraduate thesis paper for my History Degree on Newman and his Conversion. Interestingly, it was Newman who helped push me in the direction of investigating Orthodoxy.

Newman’s ideas reflect a very western mindset. I keep hearing the word “Logic”…Logic Logic Logic. One cannot approach the Orthodox Faith in this way…I tried.

Reason can be a tool, but it should never be the coffee filter through which your Faith is strained. Newman was a brilliant man, but very Scholastic and Academic in his thinking.
This is an interesting observation, MB, and I remember reading similar ideas when I was considering monasticism many years ago. Perhaps this is why East and West actually need each other. My wife and I are very different…left brain, right brain…analytical v. sensing, etc. I need some of her emotion and feeling, she sure needs some of my logic! We sort of balance each other out.
 
“Merited” questioning? But why is it always the Latin Rite Catholics that feel they have the authority to “question” Catholics of other rites?

I would love to question some of the Latin Rite Catholics who post here and in other forums, on various topics; but I don’t, because frankly I know I would come off sounding judgmental, and I would rather not take a chance of chasing a brother or sister away from the Faith altogether because of my attitude.** I just ask LR Catholics to use the same discretion with us lowly ECs. **😉
Yes, “merited” questioning, and I would do the same with a Latin rite Catholic whose replies were not exactly kosher or unorthodox. I think that attitude is reflective of most LCs on this forum, i.e., I don’t think that we go out of our way to “question” ECs over and beyond that of LCs. That has been my experience on this forum, but you can, of course, disagree.

God bless
 
Yes, “merited” questioning, and I would do the same with a Latin rite Catholic whose replies were not exactly kosher or unorthodox. I think that attitude is reflective of most LCs on this forum, i.e., I don’t think that we go out of our way to “question” ECs over and beyond that of LCs. That has been my experience on this forum, but you can, of course, disagree.

God bless
Well, I do, because that’s been my observation, and I’ve been here a long time. How long they’ll let me stay is another matter. 😃
 
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