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I brought this post over from the other thread because it was off topic.
John 6:28-30
28 Then they said to him, “What must we do to perform the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
Now granted, we cannot participate in this work of God without His grace, but neither is grace effective in our souls without it. Look in any concordance for the phrase “according to your faith”. You will find that much of Jesus’ work in the lives of people depended upon the exercise of faith. It is our contribution toward the grace that saves us. We choose to place our faith in Him.
However you are a little off with regard to the book of James. Yes, it was written dirung that time period, but it is written not to the 12 tribes of the diaspora but to Messianic Jews that were contained within that population. They were no longer under the Mosaic Law, but under grace. You were misinformed.
This myth is a common ploy used to discount that works are part of the Gospel preached by the Apostles. Within the Apostolic instructions for holy living we find this:
James 5:13-16
Are any among you suffering? They should pray. Are any cheerful? They should sing songs of praise. 14 Are any among you sick? They should **call for the elders of the church **and have them pray over them, anointing them with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 The prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise them up; and anyone who has committed sins will be forgiven. 16 Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, so that you may be healed.
Jews did not have “elders of the Church”! They had elders of synagogues. called rulers.
I think you may have a blind spot, QC, that makes you unable to “see” this part of the passage. What Paul preached was a way of life (called The Way) in the NT of discipline, virtue, and avoidance of sins. He taught this "manner’ or way of life because he knew that the failure to “hold fast” would cause the faithful to lose their state of grace, and fall into damnation.
It is very Catholic of you to say this.
Yes, this is true, but that does not change the fact that faith is a work.
John 6:28-30
28 Then they said to him, “What must we do to perform the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
Now granted, we cannot participate in this work of God without His grace, but neither is grace effective in our souls without it. Look in any concordance for the phrase “according to your faith”. You will find that much of Jesus’ work in the lives of people depended upon the exercise of faith. It is our contribution toward the grace that saves us. We choose to place our faith in Him.
Yes, we must rightly divide, or properly understand and apply the Word of Truth. This duty was given to the Church, and continues to this day.
However you are a little off with regard to the book of James. Yes, it was written dirung that time period, but it is written not to the 12 tribes of the diaspora but to Messianic Jews that were contained within that population. They were no longer under the Mosaic Law, but under grace. You were misinformed.
This myth is a common ploy used to discount that works are part of the Gospel preached by the Apostles. Within the Apostolic instructions for holy living we find this:
James 5:13-16
Are any among you suffering? They should pray. Are any cheerful? They should sing songs of praise. 14 Are any among you sick? They should **call for the elders of the church **and have them pray over them, anointing them with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 The prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise them up; and anyone who has committed sins will be forgiven. 16 Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, so that you may be healed.
Jews did not have “elders of the Church”! They had elders of synagogues. called rulers.
Yes, Messianic Jews continued attending synagogue until they were ejected after 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed, followed by persecution of Christians by Romans following the burning of Rome. It behooved the Jews to separate themselves from Christians so as not to suffer the same blame. Prior to that, Christianity was considered a “sect of the Jews”.
It is very Catholic of you to say this!
You will also not find this idea in the NT, since it is a modern evangelical innovation that did not exist in Christendom prior to the Reformation. A tradition of man, imposed upon the Holy Scriptures.
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If this is true, then it is good you have come to CAF, because you may quickly find that your views are quite unblibical.
Well, I hope not, since it is those who remain that will be with Jesus!
Yes. The Apostles taught that we are sealed in baptism.
Yes ,we are under grace, but that does not mean He has abolished the moral Law, which is immutable. We are not responsible for following the Mosaic ordinances given in Leviticus for Israel, but the moral law contained in the 10 commandments has been summed up in the first two, which is to love God and one another. We fulfill these laws by grace, through faith.
On the contrary ,he teaches that we keep the commandments by faith, rather than by human strength.
This is another Reforation fallacy that contradicts the Scriptures.
We are now yoked to Him in love, and this is how we obey His commandments.
It appears you have been indoctrinated in a dispensationalist philosophy.
No, but salvation history has been revealed as such. When Jesus said “salvation is of the Jews” He was referring to the unfolding of salvation history through His Chosen People. Christianity is built upon the foundation of Judaism.
He will not break it, but He will not honor it, either, if we freely choose to throw away our birthright.
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