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Dear friends,

If you have read The Cloud of Unknowing could you please tell me what you think the author’s message is about prayer. Also, does the author say that we should pray with barely any words: with the use of just one word to God for all our prayer requests? (For those who have not read this book I am not talking about “centering prayer.”)

Thanks in advance for your help!
 
Years ago it was … I read this book…

To me it was an introduction to praying without words. The cloud of unknowing IMHO is to think upon God without ‘knowing.’ I.E. To lose one’s preconceptions and false concepts. To reach to God and sense God on experential level. To wait upon God. To dispose oneself to God.

Does that not describe a cloud? To lose oneself? To lose oneself in the mists? To intuitively sense instead of relying on one’s eyes? To listen to the silence of the cloud?

After this lofty endeavor -one wakes up to an alarm clock because rooky that I am I have fallen -asleep! 😉 That is why it is wise to try the cloud on an empty stomach!
 
Dear friends,

If you have read The Cloud of Unknowing could you please tell me what you think the author’s message is about prayer. Also, does the author say that we should pray with barely any words: with the use of just one word to God for all our prayer requests? (For those who have not read this book I am not talking about “centering prayer.”)

Thanks in advance for your help!
Do you have the Evelyn Underhill edition and have you read her Introduction? If not, please go here and do so: ccel.org/ccel/anonymous2/cloud.ii.html

Do you understand what “oned with God” means? This type of prayer, which I believe should not be undertaken without spiritual direction, is a state of being you enter into with God’s Grace, it is your “naked intent stretching to God.”

This is not at all about making any sort of “prayer request.” This is about longing for the Divine Presence. Surrendering all your attachment to the world, allowing God to work as and if He wills. (You do not need even one word. The author allows it, but it is unnecessary.)
 
Dear friends,

If you have read The Cloud of Unknowing could you please tell me what you think the author’s message is about prayer. Also, does the author say that we should pray with barely any words: with the use of just one word to God for all our prayer requests? (For those who have not read this book I am not talking about “centering prayer.”)

Thanks in advance for your help!
I have read the Cloud of Unknowing a few times years ago. If I really enjoy a Spiritual Classic I find myself sometimes going back to it for reference or actually re-reading the book in its entirety. Its surprising what you can get at a later time from re-reading on a more profound spiritual level. For a book that was written in 1375 A.D. it quite something.

Two books that I found helped me understand the Cloud of Unknowing better is another classic in spiritual Catholicism. The Ways of Mental Prayer by Dom Vital Lehodey
sold by Tan Books. Here’s a summary…
The Ways of Mental Prayer ranks as one of the greatest classics on prayer, and was highly recommended as such by Fr. Garrigou-LaGrange, this century’s greatest authority on mystical theology. Here Dom Lehodey concentrates on the beginning stages of prayer, up through what is called the “prayer of quiet,” but he describes the higher forms of prayer as well, including the very summit, or the “prayer of union.” In the process, he explains the advantages, the joys, and, yes, the trials of mental prayer; plus, he gives practical instructions on the methods of practicing this type of prayer. He also shows what to avoid and how to overcome the difficulties involved. By far the salient strength of this book is its description of how one goes from ordinary prayer to mystical prayer, which constitutes the giant step in the spiritual life. A wise and learned guide to spiritual matters, The Ways of Mental Prayer is a work destined to lead many to divine intimacy, a foretaste of Heaven on earth.
You can also download it free in PDF form archive.org/details/thewaysofmentalp00lehouoft note: after saving the pdf patiently wait for it to load the pages…the book itself is several hundred pages.

The other book also from Tan Books The Soul of the Apostolate you can read a summary here. catholicism.org/talk-mentalprayer.html
 
Do you have the Evelyn Underhill edition and have you read her Introduction? If not, please go here and do so: ccel.org/ccel/anonymous2/cloud.ii.html

Do you understand what “oned with God” means? This type of prayer, which I believe should not be undertaken without spiritual direction, is a state of being you enter into with God’s Grace, it is your “naked intent stretching to God.”

This is not at all about making any sort of “prayer request.” This is about longing for the Divine Presence. Surrendering all your attachment to the world, allowing God to work as and if He wills. (You do not need even one word. The author allows it, but it is unnecessary.)
Thanks, Julia Mae for the link, I’ll check it out. It’s been a while since I have read The Cloud of Unknowing so I can’t really comment much on what “oned with God” means. The way you describe it makes sense. I thought the author of the book mentioned somewhere that when we had a petition to ask God that we should use just a word to convey it. I thought somebody I met today told me that this was in the book when I mentioned it.

Thanks for your kind and good response. God bless!
 
I have read the Cloud of Unknowing a few times years ago. If I really enjoy a Spiritual Classic I find myself sometimes going back to it for reference or actually re-reading the book in its entirety. Its surprising what you can get at a later time from re-reading on a more profound spiritual level. For a book that was written in 1375 A.D. it quite something.

Two books that I found helped me understand the Cloud of Unknowing better is another classic in spiritual Catholicism. The Ways of Mental Prayer by Dom Vital Lehodey
sold by Tan Books. Here’s a summary…

You can also download it free in PDF form archive.org/details/thewaysofmentalp00lehouoft note: after saving the pdf patiently wait for it to load the pages…the book itself is several hundred pages.

The other book also from Tan Books The Soul of the Apostolate you can read a summary here. catholicism.org/talk-mentalprayer.html
I have already read both books, centurianguard. Thanks for the suggestion though. My all time favorite book has got to be Lehodey’s Holy Abandonement. Thanks for your kind help! Peace!
 
It was several years ago when I read it, but it fired me up because I was participating in a contemplative prayer form at the time.

I think it promotes silent prayer, but not necessarily that anybody in particular should pray that way, or for that matter that anybody in particular should read the book at all. The author prefers that if one is not drawn to the book, one should not read it at all.

To me the “Cloud of the Unknowing” is the entire God-ness beyond our comprehension.

If we take everything we know, everything we believe, everything we can dream, everything we can think or imagine, and put it all together, this is our “Cloud of Knowing.”

As long as we are in the Cloud of Knowing, then we are not reaching beyond our own selves or really growing. Not to say we can’t do good work within the Cloud of Knowing – I’ll get to that in a minute.

Anything we already know or can think cannot describe God. We have bajillions of “names” and “descriptions” of God, and EVERY SINGLE ONE of them is borne of human thought. In fact, if we put it into words at all, it is by definition a human product, crafted from skills that are within our Cloud of Knowing.

God’s native language is silence. Hence, silent prayer gets our own “stream of consciousness” out of the way so that God can speak directly to our hearts without our minds getting in the way. It’s like going into our “inner room” as Jesus told us to do when we pray – He didn’t mean a literal room, because most houses then were one-room houses anyway. He meant to shut out distractions and allow God to speak to us without our usual stream of perceptions and consciousness to get in the way – to shut out distractions.

Matt 6:6-8
But when you pray, go to your inner room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will repay you. In praying, do not babble like the pagans, who think that they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them. Your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

And we are not “focusing” on a word. We are “using” the word as a gentle reminder to ourselves to let go of whatever thoughts our minds want to travel, because if we’re thinking consciously, then our mind may be too busy running around in the Cloud of Knowing to even notice the Cloud of the Unknowing, which is infinitely bigger than the knowing. I like to think of the “sacred word” as a distraction from distractions. If we are doing silent prayer and thoughts “pop into our heads” we use this word as a signal of willingness to let go of those thoughts, distracting our minds, if you will, from going down the path of investigation of that thought following its (our mind’s) own devices. So the word itself means nothing to us in silent prayer. That’s why you get to choose your own word, and the author stresses it should be a simple word. It could be “God” or “Jesus” or “sin” or even an image in our mind – maybe a bit like a “focal point” like in LaMaze classes.

We can get beyond the Cloud of Knowing in many ways. For example, other people can do things and inspire us to levels we hadn’t thought of before – and thus may take us into new regions of our thoughts and imagination – the Cloud of Unknowing. Circumstances can give us feelings, thoughts, and experiences we’ve never had before. Doing good works can change us in ways we couldn’t have imagined before we actually did them. Accepting kind works by others can as well. Good things happening to us can take us to new heights. Bad things happening to us can take us to new heights.

Oh gosh, so much to say. I love the whole concept of the Cloud of the Unknowing. The whole concept has done much for me, in addition to what was actually written in the book. In fact, it’s been long enough ago in my own spiritual journey that I don’t honestly know how much of what I’m even writing here was actually in the book, how much was from videos I’ve watched of priests and monks talking about the book, and how much I’ve come to think of myself in one way or another.

That’s another reason we should love our enemies, listen to people who have different points of view – even if presented in an obnoxious way. We will never learn or grow if we only hang around people like us or listen to those with whom we already agree. This is our “comfort zone.” Get out of the comfort zone and allow yourself to grow. Even seemingly objectionable people – judgmental, mean, arrogant, stupid, annoying, etc. – can take us into the Cloud of the Unknowing.

To me, the Cloud of the Unknowing has inspired me to always look beyond myself … let myself go places I couldn’t imagine. Let God work in me through silence. Maybe the author doesn’t say this (or maybe so – like I said it’s been a long time) but after we get good at contemplation, we can experience each moment allowing ourselves to be constantly open to the Unknowing. To me, this is the meaning of the words (which are often attributed to St. Francis but I’ve heard they may not have actually been from him) “pray always, use words when necessary.”

Many people feel nothing at all during silent prayer. The test, and the benefit from silent prayer is the transformation we undergo at the hand of God through the Holy Spirit, that manifests itself outside of our prayer time. Especially in our relationships with other people, and in particular people closest to us. It isn’t about feelings we get during the prayer, but is about how we allow ourselves to be changed for the better, molded as clay in the Potter’s hands.

Alan

PS. I just noticed I kept typing “Cloud of the Unknowing,” while the book name is “Cloud of Unknowing.” Maybe that just took me into the cloud. How can I use the word “the” as if there were only one Cloud – and especially one that I can designate as a singular entity?
 
Thanks for your great post, AlanFromWichita! I’d like to do what you did, and read more about the book. I’d like to become a better contmplative than I am presesntly. Peace!
 
To me the “Cloud of the Unknowing” is the entire God-ness beyond our comprehension.

If we take everything we know, everything we believe, everything we can dream, everything we can think or imagine, and put it all together, this is our “Cloud of Knowing.”

As long as we are in the Cloud of Knowing, then we are not reaching beyond our own selves or really growing. Not to say we can’t do good work within the Cloud of Knowing – I’ll get to that in a minute.

Anything we already know or can think cannot describe God.
I thought this was really excellent.

ready:

See if this description of a brief “oned with God” experience seems familair to you or makes sense to you.
 
Yes, Julia Mae, it does make sense to me. I’ve decided I am going to re-read the *Cloud of Unknowing *… I am drawn to.
I know what it is to be “drawn to” doing this and to this book.

Please let us know how your spiritual practice proceeds.
 
Dear friends,

If you have read The Cloud of Unknowing could you please tell me what you think the author’s message is about prayer. Also, does the author say that we should pray with barely any words: with the use of just one word to God for all our prayer requests? (For those who have not read this book I am not talking about “centering prayer.”)

Thanks in advance for your help!
well the first thing he says is that this book is not for everyone, but for the one who is spiritually mature, and reads it under spiritual direction. It is definitely not a DIY project
 
I know what it is to be “drawn to” doing this and to this book.

Please let us know how your spiritual practice proceeds.
I will. I am a contemplative who is growing in contemplation and am familiar with the spirituality of St. John of the Cross, St. Teresa of Jesus, and St. Therese of the Child Jesus - 3 wonderful contemplatives who have taught me a lot. I believe the contemplative who wrote the Cloud will be able to help me too. Something has been happenening in my life lately that makes me feel like perhaps I need to read the Cloud again. I will discuss this with a spiritual director on Saturday when I go to see him. He is a Discalced Carmelite priest and I am an OCDS (a Discalced Carmelite Secular). Thank you, Julia Mae, for your interest in my search for a more perfect prayer life and relationship with God. Peace and God bless you!
 
well the first thing he says is that this book is not for everyone, but for the one who is spiritually mature, and reads it under spiritual direction. It is definitely not a DIY project
I read the book before and know what you are talking about, but I believe I am spiritually mature enough to read it, seeing the Lord directs my heart to do this and I am l living a life conformed to His will. The last time I read it I discussed the book with my spiritual director and he helped me as best as he could, though he had never read the book before. Thanks for your concern. Peace and God bless!
 
The Cloud of Unknowing author tries to bring the message that St. John of the Cross and St. Teresa of Avila gave in detaching ourselves from our own ideas and images about God, in order to come into union with the true God.

“God can not be grasped, except through love,” comes from the Cloud’s author.

Anything we receive from God is through love and so anything we give to God, must also be done out of pure love.

Pure love means loving God because He is God, not because of consolations or experiences we’re seeking.

It’s been a while since I’ve read the book, but essentially, the author states that the use of a single prayer word in prayer, is the best way to quiet our faculties in order to rest in the presence of God without apprehensions.

The single prayer word is not necessarily one word, but can be several words, such as “God come to my assistance, O Lord make haste to help me.”

It varies according to the individual.

For me, “Lord Jesus,” is enough.

In doing this method of prayer, as you are focused on God’s presence, eventually your not aware of saying “prayer word.” However, should you find yourself distracted by other thoughts other than being with God, just return to the word to get the intention of your will, back on being in the presence of God.

The prayer words is nothing more than being like the needle of a compass, pointing us back to our intention, God who is at the center of our being.

Jim
 
I have completed reading this work, though I need to read a more modern translation next time around. My desire is to keep stretching out to God in love (and to love my neighbor as myself), and this book is instrumental in prompting me to do just this. I found the author’s other work the *Book of Privy Counseling *to be most helpful as a compliment to the Cloud. Though one syllabic words piece the heavens I still am compelled to use ejaculations like “I love you!” I know I don’t have to use words to let God know I love him, but I spontaneously speak these words to him. Maybe this will change … I don’t know. Perhaps it is best for me to discuss this book further once I have read a more modern translation … the Old English in the book was a little challenging for me. Peace!
 
I have completed reading this work, though I need to read a more modern translation next time around. My desire is to keep stretching out to God in love (and to love my neighbor as myself), and this book is instrumental in prompting me to do just this. I found another of the author’s works: the *Book of Privy Counseling *to be most helpful as a compliment to the Cloud. Though one syllabic words piece the heavens I still am compelled to use ejaculations like “I love you!” I know I don’t have to use words to let God know I love him, but I spontaneously speak these words to him. Maybe this will change … I don’t know. Perhaps it is best for me to discuss this book further once I have read a more modern translation … the Old English in the book was a little challenging for me. Peace
 
Keep in mind that transformation comes through the transforming grace given to us by God. We can only be open to God’s grace, and we can’t force ourselves to become more loving or more holy, for that would be in opposition to love and usually just a desire of our own ego.

Openness to God means submitting to his will, in all things and detaching ourselves from anything but God.

This is the heart of contemplative prayer.

Jim
 
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