The Collapse of a Christian Pillar

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simplynoone why golem was not a deceiver and how do you discern between a deceivement and a miracle ?
Do people believing in kosher magic and doing Kabalah need Deuteronomy you said?
Let’s be real honest with one another here … shall we? What you find miraculous is the word of another. That leaves you in a vulnerable position.

I find Life to be miraculous and testimony to God’s goodness and power.

As for magic, that it is the art of illusion that some have perfected.

I don’t see that Kabbalah is necessarily magic as much as it is subjective mysticism. I don’t go that route personally since I don’t find purpose in it. 🙂
 
The Catholic Church has never taught Replacement Theology.

But it teaches Dual Covenant…of which I am going to spend some time on this weekend.
 
The Catholic Church has never taught Replacement Theology.

But it teaches Dual Covenant…of which I am going to spend some time on this weekend.
So far…

What the Catholic Church is the New Covenant…
Really? Do you not see the extreme contradiction in your two statements? Read Jeremiah 31 where the New Covenant is outlined. Do you mind to show me where the church is listed as being a part of this covenant? Of course you won’t be able to … and that, Kathleen, is replacement theology : to replace the two mentioned houses written with the Church.
 
The purpose may be to help sons of God exit this trap.

What this tells you?
google.com/#hl=en&q=kabbalah+spells&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=2cca7b2e99206b9c
google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=kabbalah+amulets&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=2cca7b2e99206b9c

This is from a forum:
“practical kabballah is the ability to control another mans feelings or behaviors using special remedies from the Jewish kabballah.
Some of the remedies are used to control a mans or a womens feelings and then control their love. Others are used to control another man`s actions.
The most powerful remedies we produce are the “Keshaf” materials. The “keshaf” is a highly powerful binding material and his recipe has been passed from one kabballah practitioner to another for more than six hundred years.”

Jews need to speak with God.
 
The purpose may be to help sons of God exit this trap.

What this tells you?
google.com/#hl=en&q=kabbalah+spells&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=2cca7b2e99206b9c
google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=kabbalah+amulets&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=2cca7b2e99206b9c

This is from a forum:
“practical kabballah is the ability to control another mans feelings or behaviors using special remedies from the Jewish kabballah.
Some of the remedies are used to control a mans or a womens feelings and then control their love. Others are used to control another man`s actions.
The most powerful remedies we produce are the “Keshaf” materials. The “keshaf” is a highly powerful binding material and his recipe has been passed from one kabballah practitioner to another for more than six hundred years.”

Jews need to speak with God.
I have already said that I do not find any purpose for me in Kabbalah. I do not enjoy mysticism. :nope:
 
SimplyNoone…

This reference to Dual Covenant…I looked at a source yesterday on www.IsraelCatholic. It also states the Church never stood on Replacement Theology…the Jews have always been God’s chosen people, and it was a working of grace through God’s will that the Jews would not recognize Jesus as the Messiah until the End of the Gentiles.

My faith is Welsh Irish, and my father always had us remember the Holocaust of the 20th Century. He was in the Benedictine Seminary and was among those who began acknowledging documents coming out of Poland of the atrocities committed against the Jews and Slavik people, as well as the thousands of Catholic priests’ photos being executed by firing squads for opposing Nazism.
 
I have been gleaning the posts, and briefly, I would not consider Paul’s teachings as Replacement…
**I believe that Galatians 4:21-31 is the Magna Carta for the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology. You can’t see that. Let me set up the background for that quotation of Paul. Verse 21: “You who want to be subject to the Law…” Paul was speaking to the disciples of the Nazarenes in the Synagogue of Galatia which he had overturned into a Christian church. James, the head of the Sect of the Nazarenes in Jerusalem had sent some Nazarenes from Judea to try to salvage their Galatian synagogue. These Nazarenes, Paul used to, perjoratively call, Judaizers for trying to make
his coverts return to the Nazarenes. In fact, a few of them were being persuaded to return and wanted it. Then, Paul took hold of the matter and delivered the following speech to them: “You who want to be subject to the Law…” Why subject to the Law? Because the converts of the Apostles or Nazarenes would become staunch defenders of the Law. (Acts 21:20)

Okay, now let’s go to the Magna Carta of Replacement Theology. Then, he started scaring the people with an allegory. Abraham, had two sons; one by the slave girl and another by his freeborn wife. The son of the slave girl had been begotten by nature but the son of the free woman was the fruit of the promise. These two women stand for two covenants. One is from from Mount Sinai and brought forth children to slavery. We all know he was talking about the Sinaitic Covenant with Israel. This is Hagar. And she corresponds to this Jerusalem which is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem on high is freeborn and it is she who is our mother. Here, he has separated two peoples: The Jews and Christians.

So far, we can understand very well, that Paul has finished comparing the present Jerusalem to Hagar and the Jews to her offspring. And he has compared the Jerusalem of above to Christianity and her offspring Isaac to Christians. And he continues:

You, my (Christian) brothers, are the children of the promise as Isaac was. And what does Scripture say on this point? “Cast out the slave girld and her son together, for the slave girl’s son shall never be a heir on equal terms with the son of the one born free. Therefore, my brothers, we are not children of a slave girl but of a mother who is free.” In other words, Cast out Israel, separate yourselves from them. Replace them with yourselves. We are the children of Sara and they are of Hagar.

That’s Galatians 4:21-31. You can check in your own Bible. If you don’t see here the Carta Magna for the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology, I rest my case, for you are beyond repair.**
 
Even if you are a Jew, you did not live in the days of Jesus’ ministry, did you? No way we should change the NT, for then we would change the Truth, even though you don’t believe the NT tells the Truth… If you are waiting for the Church to change it to leave us, well, you will be stuck with us forever, my dear Ben Masada!!!
**I find funny when you say that if you changed the NT, you would be changing the truth. When someone asked Jesus about the Truth, he answered and said that the Truth is the Word of God. When he said that, the NT did not exist. He was referring to the Tanakh.

Now, if you read Psalm 147:19,20, it says in there that the Word of God was given to Israel only and to no other people on earth. Read it before you tell me I am mistaken. It means that the Christian people don’t have the Truth but only the Jewish People. I know it is hard for you conceive this idea. It is written my dear. It is written in the Scriptures that Jesus called the Word of God. That’s the Truth. You don’t have to change the NT; nobody can. But you can change your mind about the NT.**
 
How would you comment this?

John 6:
" 53Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

** 57As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. ** "

If the blood of Jesus or the blood of Judah dwell in Christians, are they part of Judas tribe?
Firts question is what it means for Christians to dwell in Jesus, Word of God?
What means to live by Word of God that lives by God?
 
The Catholic Church has never taught Replacement Theology.

But it teaches Dual Covenant…of which I am going to spend some time on this weekend.
Good! Because I am not discussing the Catholic Church, but the NT which does teach Replacement Theology.
 
Really? Do you not see the extreme contradiction in your two statements? Read Jeremiah 31 where the New Covenant is outlined. Do you mind to show me where the church is listed as being a part of this covenant? Of course you won’t be able to … and that, Kathleen, is replacement theology : to replace the two mentioned houses written with the Church.
Do you see, Kathleen? I couldn’t put it better. Thanks Simplynoone.
 
How would you comment this?

John 6:
" 53Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

** 57As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. ** "

If the blood of Jesus or the blood of Judah dwell in Christians, are they part of Judas tribe?
Firts question is what it means for Christians to dwell in Jesus, Word of God?
What means to live by Word of God that lives by God?
**This is Pauline rhetoric born in the Hellenistic mind that he had. The above has no meaning to us. Perhaps to Christianity. Jesus himself never said a word of the above.

Regarding your question about the blood of Jesus or of Judah, there is no such a thing as blood of Jesus OR blood of Judah if Jesus was not a biological son of Joseph’s, who was the one from the Tribe of Judah. To dwell in Jesus means only Pauline mysticism. And the very last question is Jewish. That’s what it means to live by the Word of God.**
 
This is Gospel of John.
How come Word of God appeared to Adam and Eve and spoke and helped them even resurrected them?
 
This kind of discussion may make us forget that all people are on the same side of fence, all of us want eternal life back and back on Garden of Eden. We need to speak with God to ask God , what should we do so that Creation will come back to a state without sin?
 
Ben Masada,

I can’t see what you are saying because I have never followed such thought, was never taught that in parochial school. St. Peter instituted the Church. He was an administrator and teacher. St. Paul was an evangelist who went out to the Gentile world.

If the Church did not take on its universal nature that Christ died as atonement for the sin of Adam, then we would have a Hebrew church and the Gentiles would be pretty much on the same status as before, second class believers if that.

I see the dominance of faith in the Hebrew Catholics. I affirm their need to restore and practice Hebrew traditions.

About the other Dual Covenant, as I said, I am going to read the materials this weekend. I have other sources as well to look at. When I get back from an event today, I will also share those sources.

But no, you are taking off in another direction with your interpretation of events. Catholics follow the apostolic tradition. Anything other than that is ethnic ignorance on their part of they have shown any prejudice towards the Jewish people.

My pastor considers it just as extreme to not forgive those who transgressed hundreds of years ago such as what happened in the Spanish Inquisition, whose sources to report these events were none other than 1840’s fundamentalist Americans who called the Catholic Church and the other protestant churches whore churches.

Prejudice and bias are of the heart of one who is blind to it. Conversion is a life long process.
 
HURAYYYYY!!! THEY DID IT!!!
What stops us from doing the same? Why we can’t?
"Life of Happy People on the Land of Happiness

In the almost 2000 years of uninterrupted history , Orthodox Church had many people that spoke with God and God revealed to them many secrets and they wrote them down and such Orthodox Church has a lot of knowledge.
Today about the life of Happy people on the Land of Happiness:

To this man God discovered that on this World there is a place named the land of Happiness. And Zosima prayed , day and night , so God would show him the history and life of Happy People. One day the Angel of God came and said:
-Zosima, man of God, your prayer was heard and God sent me to ask you to go to the Land of Happiness, but you’ll not be allowed to remain there. Wake up and go.
Zosima thanked God and exited from his cave and started walking to the Land of Happiness , being lead only by God. He walked for 40 days and because of being tired he fainted. For 3 days he was there praying to God for a resolution and a camel came, put him on the back and moved him on a place with dangerous creatures. He prayed again to God and a wind started taking him in the air until he arrived near a river. He tried to cross the river but he could not. Sudenly from the water a voice came
-Zosima, Man of God, above these waters cannot go the bird of the sky, the air of the wind, neither the sun, neither the devil. Look over the water and see how much it is until the sky.

And Zosima prayed with tears in eyes and he saw 2 trees, one on a side of the river and one on the other side, very tall and with flagrant smelling. And one tree came and took Zosima, putting him high above the ground and put him on another tree and on the other side of the river, where he stayed for 3 days.

And there was there a flat field . Staying there Zosima, being tired saw a man and was thinking this is a ghost and made the sign of holy life giving cross . Then Zosima told him:

-Be happy brother.
-Gift of God be with you.
-Man of God who are you, asked Zosima.
-Who are you and how did you arrived here?
Zosima started telling his life story, that he prayed to God that lead him there.
The man told him:
-I know you are the man of God since you could not go over the river becuase it is 3 miles wide, it is very very deep like an abys and the cloud goes to the sky, and you come here from the world.
Zosima asked him:
Why are you naked?
The man responded. Are you happy you have a sheep skin on you but look above to see my cloth how is it.
Looking above, Zosima saw the face of the man being like sun and his cloth like tunder and he was very very afraid thinking that this man is the Son of God, and felt down. The man took him by hand and said, come to the elders, since I am one of happy people.
Tooking Zosima by hand , he took him on a place with many people and there were the Elders and people were staying around the Elders .
Seeing Zosima they said:
-This man came from wordly place; come to pray to God to show us about this mystery, are we at the end of the World?
They waked up and prayed and look, two angels came and said:
-Don’t be afraid of this man because God sent him here to stay with you 7 days to see your place and the way you live and to sent this to his place.
Saying these, the angels went to sky, and Elders gave Zosima to one of them telling, Help this man for 7 days. And the Elder took Zosima to his place under a tree. Every time at 15:00 he was eating fruits from the tree, was drinking water much sweet like honey and after that the trees were going back until next day at 15:00 when they come down again.

People hearing about a man from the world came to him asking him every question. He answered to all their questions. But for much tiredness he fainted again. He asked his Elder to say that he is not there if anyone would come looking for him.
-The Elder started screaming:
Oh My! The history of Adam this man wants to give it to me. Satan tricked him through Eve, and this man through his praise , want to make me a lier, making me to tell a lie, that he is not here. take him from here because he wants to put in our place the seed of his world.
Telling this , all people and elders came against Zosima, telling him:
-Go brother from us, because we don’t know where did you come from.
Zosima cried a lot , telling the elders:
-Forgive me, dear friends, I did wrong.
Then the Elders told other people to don’t be angry and asked Zosima how did he came here? He told them he prayed to God to come to them and how God let him come. The Elders said:
What do you want from us?

He told them:
-I want to take from you, in writing , all your life. They, hearing that , were very happy and taking plates of rock started writing down.
 
„Listen Sons of Men, the story of this place and our life, of the happy people. Because we are like you . When the prophet Jeremiah said, this city would be let in the hands of idols worshippers, then he cut his clothes, put himself in a sack , put ashes on his head and told all the people to return from their sly ways Hearing this, our father Riham, son of Aminadav sayd to us: Listen sons and daughters of Riham, your parent. Take out your clothes, don’t drink wine, don’t eat anything prepared by fire, until God will hear your prayers.
We did everything Riham told us: bread done with fire we didn’t eat , wine we didn’t drink and we cried and prayed to God; and God heared us and turned back the storm from jerusalem and its people and saved them from the other people.

And then the emperor of Jerusalem died and another emperor was in place and he brought all the people against us. Some people from your country changed the way to be . Ask them why they did so. The emperor asked us: Who are you and where is your country? An we told him: We are the sons of Riham, son of Aminadav , and when prophet Jeremiah said This city is going to fall into slavery to people from other country , , and the emperor before you , hearing this, told us to pray to God and fast and Riham our parent said : Take out your clothes, bread in fire and honey don’t eat , wine and sichera ,don’t know what kind of drink sichera was but appeared above too, don’t drink, and we did as our parent Riham told us and prayed to God and God had mercy on us and the storm got back. And we were strong in the command of our parent and we sayd THAT IT IS GOOD FOR US TO CONTINUE LIKE THIS. And the emperor said. Start eating bread, drinking wine , give praise to the God and you’ll be liked by God and his emperor. But we said, no we would listen to our parent and to GOD.

Then, getting angry the emperor put us in jail , and in the evening the angle of God coming, took out the roof of jail and holding us, took us out of jail into the sky and brought us here to this river , and after we went on this side a wall of cloud came upt to the sky and we remained here in this good place

ŞAnd now listen sons of men how the happy people live, because God put us in this land and we are faithful but not without death, This Earth gives us flagrant fruits and the fruits are sweeter than honey and from here is our drink and food. We pray to God night and day . WE don’t have vine, neither we work land , tools, houses , masonry , fire , knife , hard winds. Some of us take a woman to have sons and daughters and after having them separate themselves and live in cleaningness. Some of their sons and daughters get married and some live in cleaningness. and we don’t have number of years, months weeks. At 15.00 , the trees come down and we eat and drink as needed and they go back. We know righteous in the world and the sinners and everything we know because every day come the angels of God and tell us the work of righteous and of sinners and for righteous we are happy and for the sinners we are unhappy and pray to God so they have remorse and to cry to God to forgive them the sins . And when the Great Lent comes , alll treees stop giving fruits and God give us manna from sky like to our ancestors . Then we know that the year changed and when Easter cames and raising from death of our Lord Jesus Christ then we have again the fruits. Then we keep vigil for 3 days and there is no sickness in us no injustice or temptation but peace and silence happines and love. And when the angels get us we don’t get disturbed but our souls rejoice with angels and like bride looks for bridegroom this is how our souls awaits angels . And the angels say God ask you to come. Then the soul exits body and goes to angels and angels say : Happy are you soul that you did the will of God. And the our time is like this. If the soul exits the body at 360 we are young , and if exits at 880 we are old.and the day we die is anounced by the angel and when angels ccome to take the soul of somebody from us ,we go with him and the elders seeing the angels brings together all the people and we go singing to the home. Because we don’t have tools angels build casket .And the one being asked to go to God kisses us and we stay with him in happiness. The the soul exits body and angels kiss the soul and we see the soul like a body without difference between man and woman…Then angels receive him singing songs to God .Other groups of angels receive the soul from sky and kisses when the soul goes to the place where to knell in front of God . Then the angels receive the soul leading the soul to be received by God,Father of Light. When the angels sin in sky we hear them , and when we sing they hear us so we with angels sing songs and praises to God. When this soul will fall with the face down in front of God , we knell to God , and when the soul is going to the place arranged for the soul , we go in the Church, to thank God.
Writing down this, their place and life , they gave this writing to Zosima and conduced him near the tree beside river. Then they prayed to God:
-God , that showed us these signs and made your servant Zosima from the world , we ask you to send him with peace and ask these trees to take your servant and to s end him on the other part of river.
Zosima asked for forgiveness and prayer from the HappySaints and they said to him:
Peace be to you brother. Go with God.
And being taken by trees , they put him on the other side of river . And Zosima prayed to God and a wind come and put him on a place . And the camel took him back . lui"
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