The concept of Purgatory in Catholicism.

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ralphinal said:
Ok.

If I may ask, what is your opinion on those who lived in places and times that made learning of Jesus taught to them impossible?
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Is that the issue here? I’m not really in disagreement with the Catholic church on this. God is Just, and ignorance of Christ through no fault of their own (which is a pretty subjective statement), will be taken into account on Judgment day. God could not be considered Just if he were to judge men harshly for something they couldn’t have possibly known.
 
ckempston said:
Is that the issue here? I’m not really in disagreement with the Catholic church on this. God is Just, and ignorance of Christ through no fault of their own (which is a pretty subjective statement), will be taken into account on Judgment day. God could not be considered Just if he were to judge men harshly for something they couldn’t have possibly known.
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Actually, this was the issue on the origional post: what about Muslims and their salvation? Most people are in agreement on this one. A just God judges according to each person’s situation. To him that much is given, much is expected.

You are right that it is subjective. IT is also not for us to decide who did and did not have a chance to learn. Some are easy to see, like Native Americans prior to the 16th century. Some are harder, like people in America today.
 
ralphinal said:
Actually, this was the issue on the origional post: what about Muslims and their salvation? Most people are in agreement on this one. A just God judges according to each person’s situation. To him that much is given, much is expected.

You are right that it is subjective. IT is also not for us to decide who did and did not have a chance to learn. Some are easy to see, like Native Americans prior to the 16th century. Some are harder, like people in America today.
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But that’s not point that I’m contesting. The issue is the contradicted claim in the provided quotes, which state, quite explicitly, that nobody outside the Catholic church can get into heaven. The opposite is now taught. Whatever you say, you will never convince a rational person that this is not a contradiction, and a change in teaching on faith and morals.
 
ckempston said:
But that’s not point that I’m contesting. The issue is the contradicted claim in the provided quotes, which state, quite explicitly, that nobody outside the Catholic church can get into heaven. The opposite is now taught. Whatever you say, you will never convince a rational person that this is not a contradiction, and a change in teaching on faith and morals.
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I understand that. The quotes were posted by someone who then left the thread in a state of derailment. The issue at hand was supposed to be about the state of Muslims’ salvation, not about Salvation outside of the Church, per se.

Actually, both positions are taught. There is no salvation outside of the Church and those who are not Catholic can still go to heaven. 🙂
 
Thank you all for your contributions, specially “water” for the link and “ralphinal” for the detailed explanation.
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Sam_777 said:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9a/Purgatory4.png

It sounds logic to me, and its different that the concept that we have in Islam, however, according to CCC#841, Muslims will be included in the plan of salvation, does it mean that those Muslims souls with mortal sins will also go to hell, if that is the case then how to differentiate between Islamic mortal sin & the Christian one, for example polygamy is adultery in Christianity and considered as a mortal sin, thus, does that mean Muslims with more than one wife would end in hell?
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when jesus died, we were saves, therefore, we didn’t need to be purified
 
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